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20 Oct 2016 21:52:09
Indians Offseason:

Send down after Spring Training:
Jeff Manship
Mike Clevinger

Rajai Davis: 2 years, 13 million

Free Agency:
Kelly Johnson: 1 year, 3.5 million
Stephen Drew: 2 years, 7 million
Edwin Encarnacion: 4 years, 85-100 million

WHY: I dought they bring back Napoli because of age, and Edwin is a huge upgrade froom Napoli anyway. Also, Crisp will leave so that clears up some more cap space

Trade #1: STL-CLE

Cardinals Get: Michael Brantley
Indians Get: Marco Gonzales, Sam Tuivailala

WHY FOR STL: They need a LF with Holliday leaving. I know they will probably re-sign Moss but then he plays 1B when Adams gets hurt

WHY FOR CLE: They get some young relief pitchers to help the middle and early innings if needed. Cleveland will probably demand more but that would just seem unfair with how bad his value is these days. This also clears up some more cap space for Edwin.

Santana 1B
Lindor SS
Kipnis 2B
Encarnacion DH
Ramirez 3B
Chisenhall RF
Davis LF
Naquin CF
Perez C

Gomes C
Guyer LF
Martinez UTIL
Drew SS
Johnson UTIL


Allen (CL)

I know the trade is very unrealistic, but besides that what do you guys think?

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20 Oct 2016 22:18:13
Don't see Edwin coming to Cleveland, Don't say I'm biased because I don't think he's coming back to Toronto.

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20 Oct 2016 22:18:30
He will want a bit more term too.

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20 Oct 2016 22:33:33
That trade is terrible. Even with his recent injuries, Brantley would be FAR more valuable than that.

And if this was all Cleveland could get for him, why not just keep him?

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20 Oct 2016 22:44:30
Did you not here me say that the trade was horrible?

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20 Oct 2016 23:59:47
The only team E. E goes to for $22 mil is T. O.

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21 Oct 2016 00:13:26
If you acknowledged that this is a horrible trade, then why did you waste time even posting it?

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21 Oct 2016 00:13:57
Also, I'm incapable of hearing you on this site.

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20 Oct 2016 21:35:05
Jays off season

Fire Gibbons. He has shown he is not capable of adjusting the Jays needs when required. He just waits for the HR's to show up. Jays need to become a little more small ball and Gibbons simply can't handle it.

Qualify offers for Saunders, Bautista and E. E. None of them will take it but it allows the Jays to receive 3 additional picks in the upcoming draft.

Butler. B 3 yrs - $18 mil
Cecil. B 3 yrs - $9 mil
Hudson. D 4 yrs - $12 mil
Navarro. D 2 yrs - $8 mil
Barney. D 2 yrs - $4 mil
Latos. M 4 yrs - $5 mil
Not 1 of these players will be offered a QO so no DP compensation is required

Maese. J, Woodman. JB, Smith. D
McGee. J

7.Upton/ Carrerra-LF

Carrera/ Upton-OF



Solves the 2 biggest needs of Jays over last 2 seasons.
1. Live by the long ball/ die by the long ball. Last 2 post seasons Jays have been killed because their bats were trying to crank the ball instead of just hitting. This gives them more balanced attack
2. Quality middle relievers. While the Jays were good against Cleveland, both the Royals and Indians showed that qualty MR pitching is key.

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20 Oct 2016 01:38:11
so I'm going to try to do off-season predictions for each team excluding the Giants because I already did them but I'll start with Arizona.
To start I think this teams window to win is now through the 2019/ 2020 seasons because that's when the majority of their good players contracts are up so 3-4 years.
Notable extensions
Pollock 4/ 64 buys out all arb years and 1 FA year
Miller 2/ 28 buys out all arb years
Segura 4/ 32 buys out all arb years and 1 FA year

Trades/ Signings
Trade Patrick Corbin to Miami for Jake Esch, and JT Riddle
Logan Morrison 1/ 3
Doug Fister 2/ 30
Luke Hochevar 3/ 30
Drew Storen 1/ 3 plus 3M in incentives.

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20 Oct 2016 03:14:38
I would think that Segura could get more, Miller won't get an extension right now, Pollack could get a longer deal. The Corbin trade is awful, Miami doesn't have much of a farm system. The rest is not that good.

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20 Oct 2016 06:33:39
They just extended Pollock last winter.

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20 Oct 2016 17:21:03
They did extend him last year, but it was only a two year deal.

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20 Oct 2016 18:02:23
Right, but they aren't going to rework an extension they literally signed less than 12 months ago. They bought out his first two arbitration years, and might try to work something out after next season, but they aren't going to tear up a freshly signed contract.

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20 Oct 2016 23:25:23
Im not even going to argue its whatever really. No point in arguing with BATMAN since he's like sull but with baseball knowledge.

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19 Oct 2016 23:21:55
Angels trade: Mike Trout
Red Sox trade: Xander Bogaerts, Jackie Bradley Jr., Eduardo Rodriguez, Jason Groome, Michael Kopech, maybe Rafael Devers

I know I'm going to get some hate on this deal but I'm definitely one of those people that thinks the Angels need to trade Trout asap if not this offseason then at the trade deadline. To any Angels fans that object and say no keep him, really? You want to be like the phillies? Only difference would be the Phillies won a World Series. Going into next year 3 teams in their division alone will probably be better not to mention other teams in the AL.

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20 Oct 2016 03:15:02
Trout won't be traded, the Red Sox aren't going to hurt their young core.

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20 Oct 2016 03:22:20
Not even close enough. Start with Betts, Bogaerts, and Moncada, and go from there.

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20 Oct 2016 06:16:55
We've had this conversation before I believe.

Trout is indeed the best player in baseball right now and could be for a few more years. He is only one guy though and one guy can not win a championship by himself.

It will though, take an extremely good package of players to get him.

Boston is one of the few teams with the assets to acquire him, however

The Sox are set!

Betts and Boegarts will not be leaving anytime soon. Those are two extremely talented young ball players with one playing SS. Moncada is supposed to be the best prospect in baseball. They have many more good young guys too.

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20 Oct 2016 18:05:06
I don't think Boston trades for Trout. In fact, I don't think there's any team that could reasonably put forth a trade package for Trout and still be competitive in years to come.

That said, anything short of 2 young, controllable MLB assets AND 1-2 top prospects isn't going to get Mike Trout.

Seager-Pederson-De Leon

If you're sitting there thinking, "no way any team moves those guys", we're in agreement. And we'd also be in agreement that they don't land Mike Trout.

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19 Oct 2016 14:47:32
Here is a traded that I would like to happen

Det gets russle baze soler

Chi gets Cabrera

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19 Oct 2016 15:42:28
UMMMM, WHY! Would ether team do this? Russell and Beaz are part of the Cubs future for certain and possibly Solar might be as well, and Cabrera is the Tigers best player so why would they trade him away especially when they are getting possitions that they do not need.

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19 Oct 2016 15:59:22
Where would Cabrera even play? 1B is Rizzo and 3B is Bryant, two MVP candidates in the NL. And they have no DH spot either.

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19 Oct 2016 17:23:08
Bryant can play LF and Cabrera can play 3b

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19 Oct 2016 18:44:06
Cabrera isn't a 3B anymore. It would be a terrible decision to put him there.

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19 Oct 2016 18:46:15
No Donnie.

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19 Oct 2016 21:49:01
one this is a terrible trade for both teams. second are friends with crazysull, you misspelled names just like him.

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20 Oct 2016 11:52:14
Donnie, you just struck out.

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20 Oct 2016 18:21:44
Then could verlander go to the Dodgers for that rookie starting pitcher

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19 Oct 2016 06:56:35
Let me know what you guys think

Rockies trade: Blackmon
Cards trade: Wacha

Cards get their center fielder
Rockies get a young stud, that's controllable through I believe 2020

Rockies trade: Blackmon
Cards trade: Adams, and Rosenthal

Rockies would fill 2 holes in this trade
Either way I think you can mix and match the three.

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19 Oct 2016 13:11:52
Why would the Rockies want a platoon 1B and a reliever who had a terrible season?

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19 Oct 2016 14:20:08
The second one is more likely. Wacha will be in the rotation next year. And if they bring Moss back they can put him at 1st. And Adams bat could really get a kick start at Coors field. And Rosentha is a prime bounce back candidate that can help the Rockies back of the bullpen since they are not far off from contending in a few years.

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19 Oct 2016 20:50:49
Jerk, i really like you but man come on. Adams has the potential to hit 30 homers, and Rosenthal is so bad, one bad year totally erases the past 2 seasons before last where he almost had a combined 100 saves 93. 93 saves in the past 2 seasons before last is the reason theyd want him. he's not even 27.

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20 Oct 2016 00:52:25
Good grief, Mamba, you just love to take an argument and take it to the absurd, don't you?

No, one bad season doesn't erase everything Rosenthal has done, but the Cardinals aren't going to be able to sell high on Rosey.

Keep in mind, Blackmon is still controllable and very, very good. It's going to take a package of Alex Reyes and Michael Wacha just to pique the Rockies interest for Blackmon.

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19 Oct 2016 02:38:46
The Tigers want to get younger and compete now and in the future so this is a possible Offseason Plan for the team:


DET Gets:

Jackie Bradley Jr.
Williams Jerez

BOS Gets:

Victor Martinez
Anthony Gose
Spencer Turnbull

Boston gets a still productive DH in Martinez to replace Ortiz short-term while giving up Bradley who they have the means to replace. Bradley gives Detroit a young controllable outfielder for either right or center and a left handed bat. Boston also gets Gose who can battle for an outfield spot and Turnbull as a pitching prospect. Detroit also adds Jerez who is young and can battle for a bullpen spot.

DET Gets:

Taijuan Walker
Edwin Diaz

SEA Gets:

J. D. Martinez
Mark Lowe
Buck Farmer

Seattle gets JD who is a huge addition for them in RF with a great bat and decent glove, plus Lowe who's had success in Seattle and a young pitcher in Farmer. Detroit gets a good young starter in Walker and a future/ present bullpen cornerstone in Diaz.

DET Gets:

Carlos Perez
Keynan Middleton
David Fletcher

LAA Get:

Justin Wilson
Mike Pelfrey

Detroit gets a good young backup catcher in Perez, and two decent prospects. LA gets a good reliever and Pelfrey for a rotation spot battle.


Pick up Maybin's option
Pick up K-Rod's option
Let Salty walk
Let Aybar walk

Free Agency:

Sign Brett Cecil (2 yrs/ $4.5M AAV)

Decent lefty reliever to replace Wilson.


2B - Kinsler
CF - Maybin
1B - Cabrera
3B - Castellanos
LF - Upton
DH - Moya
RF - Bradley Jr.
C - McCann
SS - Iglesias


C - Perez
OF - Collins
UT - Romine
IF - Machado




CL: Rodriguez
SU: Diaz
SU: Cecil
MR: Rondon
MR: Wilson
MR/ LR: Sanchez
LR: Greene

*Anibal Sanchez is moved to the bullpen in a middle relief role which could actually be a good move for his skill set*

Coaching Staff:

Hire Kirk Gibson as hitting coach.

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19 Oct 2016 03:20:18
What about Ian kinsler and Justin verlander

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19 Oct 2016 05:23:58
Stop smoking before you post to site.

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19 Oct 2016 15:07:26
Why on earth would the Red Sox do this trade. Plus why would the Tigers trade away Martinez (J. D) they just signed him to an extenchen. A lineup of
1. Kinsler 2nd
2. Mayben CF
3. Cabrera 1st
4. Martinez (J. D) RF
5. Upton LF
6. Moya/ Martinez DH
7. Castillanos 3rd
8. McCann C
9. Igalsius SS

1. Collins/ Moya OF
2. Romine UTL
3. Jones INF
4. FA/ Trade C

1. Verlander
2. Zimmerman
3. Fulmer
4. Norris
5. Trade SP

1. Greene
2. FA/ Trade RP
3. Rendon
4. Lowe
5. Wilson (A)
6. Wilson (J)
7. Rodriguez

The Tigers 3 needs this offseason: a back up catcher, a starting pitcher, and 1 or 2 relievers. They have expendable pieces in Anibal Sanchez and Victor Martinez who both are old but have value left. Victor could bring back a decent young (ish) starter. And Sanchez value at this point could help them bring in a decent young backup catcher. I like the idea of being in Cecile so he could be in the bullpen and if they don't want to have Rendon in the pen they could go out and trade for anther reliever or sign another one.

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20 Oct 2016 06:49:00
Sox did not want to include Jackie Bradley Jr in a Chris Sale trade why would they trade him for nothing.

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18 Oct 2016 20:11:08
A few other trade ideas I've come up with the past couple days:

Angels get: Ryan Braun
Brewers get: Cam Bedrosian, mid-level prospect

Angels take on 100% of Braun's salary, Brewers get a RP to work with. (I don't think Bedrosian has a ton of value, but if the Angels are taking on at least 80M in salary, Bedrosian is the most the Brewers would get) .

Mariners get: Zack Cozart
Reds get: Luiz Gohara

This one nearly happened in July, and I think the two teams revisit it this winter.

White Sox get: Brian McCann + some salary relief
Yankees get: Trey Michalczewski and Spencer Adams.

McCann isn't bringing back anything major, even if the Yankees take on a significant portion of his salary. This actually might be more than they get in a trade, but the White Sox need a lot of help.

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19 Oct 2016 02:29:01
Your the one who keeps saying Cam isn't that valuable and now your saying for just him, a mid level prospect, and the Angels taking on a bid salary, it can get RYAN BRAUN! Brewers can do much better. Plus I think it would be better for the Angels to stay away from major contracts like that.

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19 Oct 2016 03:25:47
Right, taking on $80M of salary isn't going to get anyone of value. Literally, no one.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Brewers just let someone take Braun if they take his whole salary.

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19 Oct 2016 07:12:15
The Angels are just getting 40 million of this year thanks to weaver and Wilson, what makes you think they would want to ruin that with Braun, they would be in the exact same situation as last offseason.

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19 Oct 2016 14:48:46
The goal for the Angels isn't to clear salary, it's to find better uses for that salary. Not having $40M locked into an oft-injured pitcher and a fast declining pitcher isn't the best use of it.

However, finding a third outfielder is. They have a lot of money spent on Trout and Pujols. If they don't find a way to get competitive now, they quickly turn into the Phillies.

Maybe they don't trade for Braun, but they'll need to find a way to get competitive real quick, or it'll be a long, long route for the Angels.

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19 Oct 2016 20:38:52
They absolutely have to find a way to be competitive, what's key though is them finding young talent, luckily because they finished in the ten worst records, they can keep their first pick no matter who they sign, so that's a great thing for them. One player I would love the Angels to target this offseason is Baez, he would complete the infield and could bring a solid jolt of life to that position, as to the other positions, I still don't really know who would fit best.

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20 Oct 2016 00:58:58
Who on God's green earth would the Angels give up for Baez? They literally have no moveable assets, besides Trout, but I can't fathom teams putting a package together for him.

LA has very little young MLB ready talent that is serviceable. In fact, I think they are in the worst position in all of baseball. That's why they need to just spend money and capitalize on the primes of Trout and Calhoun and whatever is left of Pujols. They'll take a long time to rebuild, I would guess 5-7 years. By that time, Trout is gone. Pujols is gone. Calhoun is gone, and you have to start over again.

Braun, or any other guy they likely give $60-80M this offseason, helps. Trying to get younger when you have no young assets in the farm doesn't.

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20 Oct 2016 09:03:32
Did I say the Angels have a package in place for him, no! I just said I would like them to target him this offseason, the only reason I could see him moved is because of the excess talent they have, he's just a dream player to acquire that's all.

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20 Oct 2016 13:28:51
Don't worty, if they don't do something big this winter, they'll be horrible for years to come, which means one positive thing: higher draft picks. Maybe they can find a Baez there.

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18 Oct 2016 20:09:11
Trade #1: WSH-MIL

Brewers Get: Max Scherzer, Bryce Harper, Trea Turner, Stephen Strasburg

Nats Get: Wily Peralta, $50

Rumor #1: Nats sign Jonathan Papelbon. 1 year, $750,000,000 Contract.

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18 Oct 2016 21:03:36
This is a waste of our time. Try to be realistic.

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18 Oct 2016 21:18:29
No thanks. We like doing it this way.

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18 Oct 2016 22:04:09
Your joking right? Why would the Nats ruin their team completely.

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20 Oct 2016 22:23:43
Jake he is joking.

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18 Oct 2016 19:28:02
Some offseason trades I think could happen:

Marlins get: Jose Quintana
White Sox get: Marcell Ozuna, Adam Conley

Dodgers get: Chris Archer
Rays get: Jose De Leon, Yasiel Puig, 1 other low-level prospect

Braves get: Brian Dozier
Twins get: Ozzie Albies, Kolby Allard

Cubs get: Wade Davis
Royals get: Kyle Schwarber

Yankees get: Adam Ottavino
Rockies get: James Kaprelian

You might look and wonder, if the Cubs and Yankees both trade for a closer/ reliever, where does Chapman go? I'm predicting the Nationals pay top dollar for him.

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18 Oct 2016 20:05:19
A brief explanation on these:

#1- Marlins need pitching help, especially after the tragic loss of Fernandez. There is plenty of OF help to be acquired via free agency. There isn't an ace. White Sox desperately need OF help.

#2- Might be a tad low on Archer, but it all depends on how Tampa Bay views Puig. Could restructure it, but I think De Leon + a major leaguer is a great return for Tampa Bay.

#3- Atlanta will make a splash this winter. I firmly believe it. Dozier would be a huge pickup, and the Braves have the prospect depth to make a move like this. The Twins might want even more, and I'd be willing to accept that argument.

#4- Schwarber coming off an injury year has low value. Davis coming off an injury and only controlled for 12 months has lower value than many people would admit. If Morales walks, Schwarber fits right into KC's DH slot, and he fits into the clubhouse mojo (Ned Yost is just a less-talented Joe Maddon) .

#5- Total crap-shoot trade guess. Probably not going to happen, but Ottavino is a New Yorker, plays for a team that doesn't need him, and the Yankees need bullpen support. I thought I'd get a little interesting in my trade projections with this one.

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18 Oct 2016 20:10:12
None of these trades are all that good.

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18 Oct 2016 20:26:37
I. actually like the first two trades.

Dodgers would need to add another top 10 outfield prospect imo.

First trade addresses needs of both teams.

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18 Oct 2016 20:34:44
Minnow, that's what I've been torn on. I wouldn't be surprised if the Dodgers take on a bad contract from Tampa (although, I can't think if they have any) .

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18 Oct 2016 21:08:00
Why would the Twins trade their second baseman after a career year for seemingly little in return?

Do you feel the Rays can afford Puig's salary and temperment?
Do you feel Puig is a little unstable for a shaky Tampa franchise?

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18 Oct 2016 21:18:19
Seeminly little in return? Albies is a tremendous young infield prospect who most scouts feel will be very, very good. Allard is equally touted, albeit with a bad injury under his belt already. This would be a fantastic return for Dozier.

As far as Puig is concerned, I think he'll be fine. The Dodgers could take on some of his contract to help the return, and I don't think Tampa is in that bad of shape. They need young, controllable MLB talent, which both Puig and De Leon offer.

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19 Oct 2016 00:20:18
Jerk I like these trades they make sense, except the Archer trade. Not sure if you heard but a couple weeks ago Matt Silverman said the rays are hell bent on being a contender this year. I would be shocked if they traded him this year.

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19 Oct 2016 03:27:04
I didn't see that. I'll check that out, thanks for the recommendation.

I do think the Rays would be wise to move Archer. This pitching market is ridiculously weak and they can get a premium for someone who could be the best pitcher available (providing the White Sox hold both Sale and Quintana) .

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18 Oct 2016 00:43:12
the Rays trade Jake Bauers and Alex Colome to the Phillies for Odubel Herrera and Adam Morgan.

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18 Oct 2016 05:52:26
Horrible for Rays. Bauers is a top prospect that's only a year away and projects as a better player than Herrera, who regressed heavily in the second half. Colome was one of the best closers in baseball last year and is still under control for 4 more years. Rays don't need a mediocre starter, they have too many starters as is and will probably trade one this offseason.

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18 Oct 2016 15:01:38
I don't think it's THAT bad. Odubel Herrera would be a very good outfield get for Tampa Bay.

I don't think the Phillies are in a position to be taking on a closer. A rebuilding team doesn't need to give away major assets for a position that is usually for winning teams.

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18 Oct 2016 15:47:37
Herrera has gone from rule 5 to outstanding center fielder. Hernandez and Herrera have carried the Phillies this season. He has hovered around .290 consistently. His hitting would be better than any current rays outfielder.

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18 Oct 2016 15:53:03
I like the idea just not the trade itself. I think TB could try and deal a young pitching prospect and maybe another piece or two to the Phillies for Herrera. And I doubt the Rays are looking to trade their newly found all-star closer with 4 more years of control left any time soon.

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18 Oct 2016 15:53:32
I agree with Jerk on this one. The Rays are fully stocked with good young pitching but until they get the necessary offensive pieces, they will continue to struggle getting out of the basement of the AL East.

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16 Oct 2016 16:37:03
Cubs offseason:

Joe Smith 2 year deal
Trevor Cahill 2 year deal

Mark Reynolds 1 year deal

CHC gets: Drew Smyly

TB gets: Jorge Solar

1. Fowler CF
2. Zobrist 2nd
3. Bryant 3rd
4. Rizzo 1st
5. Schwarber LF
6. Heyward RF
7. Contreres C
8. Pitcher
9. Russell SS

1. Montero C
2. Szczur/ Almora Jr. OF
3. Beaz INF
4. La Stella INF
5. Reynolds 1st

1. Arrieta
2. Lester
3. Hendricks
4. Lackey
5. Smyly

1. Cahill
2. Wood
3. Edwards Jr.
4. Montgomery
5. Strop
6. Smith
7. Rondon

What do you guys think?

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16 Oct 2016 19:04:59
New man crush and I think Reynolds had a good enough year to earn a starting job somewhere.

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16 Oct 2016 19:41:46
Reynolds is definetly there to replace Sull's man crush LoMo.

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16 Oct 2016 22:20:52
What wver I feel like this would work.

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16 Oct 2016 23:17:35
Wow, two moves, not just one. Also I think they need to bring in at least four more back up first baseman. Maybe bring in Nava and LoMo as well.

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16 Oct 2016 23:53:14
I like the rumor CS 16. Could you give me an idea of Reynolds salary next season since he had a good year. Thank you.

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17 Oct 2016 14:28:46
probably around the $5-7 million range for 1 year.

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17 Oct 2016 16:36:13
Thank you.

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17 Oct 2016 16:37:31
Not a chance Tampa Bay accepts that trade.

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17 Oct 2016 18:55:16
There probably would be other pieces involved but those players would be at the center of the deal.

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17 Oct 2016 19:49:26
The number one issue with the Cubs going into the offseason will be what they intend to do with Aroldis Chapman. Resign him would be the best situation, however, he won't be cheap and he won't be on a short contract. Without this question answered, the Cubs are just twiddling their thumbs.

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17 Oct 2016 22:39:40
In no way, shape, or form do the Rays accept Jorge Soler as the headliner for Drew Smyly. None.

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17 Oct 2016 22:51:56
Soler sucks a** no team in their right mind would trade for him. Smyly is a number 2 pitcher Soler is a guy that should be in the independent league. Sull is still going to argue though.

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18 Oct 2016 14:46:08
Solar had a pretty good year and when I meant he would be the headliner of the trade since he would be the only MLB ready talent heading to TB and the Cubs could still add some high level prospects to the trade as well.

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18 Oct 2016 15:03:52
In what way did Soler have a good year?

Sull, I'm opening a door for you to prove you actually understand baseball. Give me some stats that suggested he was good this year.

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18 Oct 2016 15:56:28
He might not have had a great year but he significantly improved his production from last year. The loss of Schwarber deffenitly helped so he could get more at bats but he has regained some of his value. And for Smyly he had a down year which lowers his value as well. I feel like if the Cubs send Solar and possibly a top 15 prospect to the rays for Smyly and either a low level prospect or possibly even a bullpen arm if the Cubs send a little more I can see this happening.

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18 Oct 2016 18:30:54
Soler did have a .769 OPS, though that doesn't mean he is good enough to get Smyly. You can't really say that he had a good year because he on had 220 or so ABs.

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19 Oct 2016 00:56:48
I just think that Solar who is an outfielder and the Rays need ourfielders and solar is young too and with all the pitching the Rays have they can move on from Smyly. That was just my idea.

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15 Oct 2016 12:40:11
Indians get McCann+15million
Yankees get Kaminsky (18) Lugo (27) and a lower level prospect.

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15 Oct 2016 14:22:05
Indians have Gomes and Perez, why would they give up assets for McCann?

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15 Oct 2016 17:28:13
@theJerk Well, Gomes, while healthy, was not good this year at all, and is 2 years removed from his last productive season at the plate. The Indians could benefit from an offensive boost at C, especially with Brantley slated to miss time in 2017 already and Napoli hitting free agency.

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15 Oct 2016 21:15:09
"While healthy"

Let's not base anyone's stats when they are battling an injury and recovery.

If you think the Indians will give up key assets for a position they don't need, you haven't been paying attention.

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15 Oct 2016 22:23:38
Offensive boost is not a priority for Cleveland and I will argue that is not that important in the AL.

Perez is very good defensively for Them.

All this McCann talk confuses me to be honest. I'm not saying he isn't any good, but remember he is batting in the very friendly short porch at Yankee Stadium.

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15 Oct 2016 22:42:36
Right. Catcher position is about working with the pitchers first, offense second. Perez is a top notch catcher. Gomes, when healthy, will likely be very good again.

And if they aren't, or if the Indians don't think they will be, this a great catcher's market this year. You can get a lot cheaper options.

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14 Oct 2016 23:42:15
Bold and unlikely offseason trade predictions

Pirates trade: Gerritt Cole
Braves trade: Ozzie Albes, Sean Newcomb, Kolby Allard, Mike Soroka, Touki Toussaint

Reds trade: Zack Cosart
Mariners trade: Luiz Gohara, DJ Peterson

Rockies trade: Jake McGee
Nationals trade: Erick Fedde, Austin Voth

Cardinals trade: Michael Wacha
O's trade: Chance Sisco, Hunter Harvey, Brad Bach

Royals trade: Wade Davis
Red Sox trade: Rafael Devers, Michael Kopech, Sam Travis, Brian Johnson.

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15 Oct 2016 02:35:30
Too much for one year of Davis.

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15 Oct 2016 10:20:12
I disagree, Davis is one of the most dominant relievers plus he's insanely cheap, imo the red sox could use another late inning stud, they could pay over 50 million for Jansen, Chapman or Melancon, or you can trade guys who won't have a big roll for Davis and more than likely a draft pick 2 drafts from now. Plus look who you have in the FO DD who loves to ruin farm systems.

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15 Oct 2016 12:15:51
I agree. too much for one year and their is no guarantee he will be as dominant next year.

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15 Oct 2016 13:29:32
The Cubs gave up a lot for half a year of Chapman, so your argument holds no merit.

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15 Oct 2016 14:10:35
Yea but Davis comes with health issues and showed that he was not as dominate this year as he was last. And I actually like the Cole trade, but do I think it will happen? No.

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15 Oct 2016 14:23:38
Batman, you of all people should know that you can't compare a trade deadline move to an offseason move.

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15 Oct 2016 14:37:48
This is true, but then again, look at what the Astros gave up for Giles last offseason. Though Giles is not as good or has the track record that Davis.

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15 Oct 2016 16:50:15
Yes that is correct but Giles is much younger.

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15 Oct 2016 17:28:28
Minnow, nothing is for sure but in my opinion when someone has been good for multiple seasons its a good bet they'll be good next year. Sull if you look at the royals, if Moose didn't get hurt, if Cain stayed healthy Davis probably wouldve been as dominant.

I just want to say this, the Royals are 100% in control, they don't have to settle, the fact that teams are already showing interest tells me there could be a bidding war which could mean a team giving up 3 really good prospects.

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15 Oct 2016 21:17:23
The Astros also bought 5 years of control for a really good reliever. Davis is not exactly cheap, and he's a free agent in 12 months.

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15 Oct 2016 22:08:01
I like the first three, the last two the "buying" team is giving up too much.

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15 Oct 2016 23:31:13
Jerk i disagree, going into next season without arb deals Davis will be the 6th highest closer, the guys ahead of him? Chapman, Kimbrel, Robertson, Jansen, Melancon. 3 of those guys will get raises, Chapman will go from 12M to 16-17M, Jansen will go from 10M to15-17M, and Melancon will go from 9M to 12-13M. Compared to those guys he's at least 3M cheaper.

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16 Oct 2016 02:02:01
$10M isn't cheap. He's one of the top 10 paid relief pitchers in baseball AND he has no team control remaining. His value drops when you consider those facts.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Royals will get a really, really good player for Wade Davis, but I'd be shocked if he gets 2-3 top 100 prospects in the offseason.

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16 Oct 2016 03:20:13
Mariners say no. They wouldn't even do Gohara + small prospect for Cozart + prospect before the deadline, and that was before Cozart started to slump, and got injured.

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16 Oct 2016 21:29:13
They couldn't do the deal because they ran out of time.

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16 Oct 2016 21:30:33
I just feel a team that misses out on chapman, jansen and melancon will overpay.

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14 Oct 2016 17:23:56
Yankees Offseason

Trade #1

Mets get Brian McCann

Yankees get Zack Wheeler

Trade #2

Pirates get Jorge Mateo, Gleyber Torres, Justus Sheffield, Chance Adams, and Domingo Acevedo

Yankees get Gerritt Cole

Trade #3

Indians get Brett Gardner

Yankees get Mike Clevinger

Trade #4

Giants get Chase Headley

Yankees get Hunter Strickland

Trade #5

White Sox get Chad Green, Luis Cessa, James Kaprielian, Blake Rutherford, and Billy McKinney

Yankees get Todd Frazier

Trade #6

Rockies get Dustin Fowler, Tyler Wade, and Chasen Shreve

Yankees get Jake McGee

Free Agency

Resign Aroldis Chapman for 5 years and $75 million

Resign Carlos Beltran for 1 year and $15 million



CF Ellsbury
SS Gregorius
DH Beltran
C Sanchez
3B Frazier
2B Castro
1B Bird
RF Judge
LF Hicks


C Romine
1B/ OF Austin
IF Torreyes
IF/ OF Refsnyder





Let the bashing begin!

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14 Oct 2016 17:29:01
You lost me after the first trade, 1. Mets have a catcher, 2. Wheeler is worth way more than an old almost retired catcher.

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14 Oct 2016 18:39:04
you know bwright, i only have to read the first trade to know its you. Typical garbage of terrible nonsense. This all seems counterproductive to what they are doing. It doesn't make sense, I don't know why you don't get it.

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14 Oct 2016 18:46:40
Good god, these are awful. Seriously, terrible.

I almost don't want to bash you because it's gone from being funny to just plain sad. You don't get it, and you're subjecting yourself to bullying. Go find another hobby.

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14 Oct 2016 20:07:47
Why would they do the Frazier trade when they could get Sale and just add Mateo and take out Rutherford.

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14 Oct 2016 22:29:16
The Gardner trade isn't bad but I don't see them trading him. I see them moving on from Elsbury. Even though they could get more for Gardner. And I also like the Headley (the Yankees would need to add something else though) deal. But the rest is trash.

I think they should deal Elsbury for a guy like Mike Leake. And sign a guy like Colby Rasmus even though he had a down year that short porch in right should do him wonders. And don't bother being back Beltran since McCann will probably be their DH

I also them trading some prospects to the D-Backs for De La Rossa

McGee will probably be non-tenderd so no need to trade for him when you could just sign him

A lineup of
1. Gardner CF
2. Castro 2nd
3. Sanchez C
4. McCann DH
5. Judge RF
6. Rasmus LF
7. Austin 3rd
8. Bird 1st
9. Didi SS

1. Refsnider UTL
2. Romine C
3. Hicks OF
4. Torreyes INF/ Ackley UTL

1. Tanaka
2. Pinada
3. Sabathia
4. Leake
5. De La Rossa

1. Siverino
2. Heller
3. Layne
4. McGee
5. Strickland
6. Clippard
7. Batansis

I feel like this makes a lot more sense and is way more cost friendly then bringing on big contracts like Beltran and Chapman and Frazier and Cole (who will eventually get a big pay day) the only down side is that they keep McCanns and C. C's big salaries on board but both are going to run out soon and by then their will be a big free agency class so they could get a big name to replace them or prospects like Frazier will be ready too.

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14 Oct 2016 22:45:36
Sull, the Rockies aren't giving up a guy like Dickerson for McGee to not tender him a contract after one season. He's getting tendered.

And for what it's worth, your post (which should be it's own post, not a comment), is equally as bad.

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15 Oct 2016 05:31:03
Sull, don't justify this nonsense. None of this is good.

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15 Oct 2016 14:13:49
The Giants will have Eduardo Nunez at 3B, no need to trade for the overpriced Headley, especially if the return is one of our better relievers.

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15 Oct 2016 17:14:00
So they Yankees are giving up their farm system for a injured Garrett Cole and Todd Frazier I don't' think so this is ridiculous. The Yankees will only trade McCann unless they get a top prospect. Also the Yankees are not giving up 3 top 100 prospects for Cole they would give maybe Mateo or Torres and Pineda and like 3 lower level prospects for a injured Cole but the Pirates will never do it so what does it matter.

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