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MLB Rumors October 01 2014

01 Oct 2014 00:18:43
Mets trade Zack Wheeler, Kevin Plawecki, Daniel Murphy, and Brandon Nimmo

Blue Jays trade Jose Bautista

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30 Sep 2014 22:17:00
Phils offseason:
Trade Utley and $7.5 million to San Fran for Ty Blach and Andrew Susac
Trade Rollins and $5 million to Oakland for Michale Ynoa and Matt Olson
Trade Cody Asche to ChiSox for Trayce Thompson and Nolan Sanburn
Trade Marlon Byrd and $4 million to Seattle for Gabby Guerrero and Edwin Diaz
Trade Papelbon and $13 million to Detroit for Hernan Perez and Domingo Leyba
Trade Hamels to BoSox for Betts, Owens, Bradley Jr. , and Allen Webster
Sign Yasmani Tomas for 6 yrs @ $100 million
1B- Ruf/Howard. stuck with Howard
2B-Betts
3B-Franco
SS-Galvis keeps warm for Crawford
C- Ruiz/Susac
LF-Tomas
CF-Bradley JR.
RF- Guerrero/Brown

Rotation: Lee, Webster, Nola, Buchanan, Jerome Williams. maybe Biddle later

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29 Sep 2014 19:28:08
mets trade murphy, tejada

dodgers trade matt kemp and aidan parker (prospect ss, very good ops)

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Could those players be traded this offseason? Yes! For each other? Ehh.

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Tejada has 0 trade value.

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Terrible trade. what is with mets fans on here posting terrible trades?

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Parkers not that good

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29 Sep 2014 02:09:40
The Phillies trade Ryan Howard to the Brewers and 75% of his contract for prospect Clint Coulter.

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. As a Brewers fan, No way in hell. We need a good first baseman, not Ryan Howard. This is awful HOward isn't going anywhere, it doesn't matter how much contract they eat. No one wants him.

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29 Sep 2014 02:01:46
The Phillies trade Cole Hamels and Antonio Bastardo to the Reds for Matt Latos, Mike Leake, Jay Bruce, Ben Lively and Daniel Corcino.

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28 Sep 2014 15:40:54
Rays offseason:

Sign RHP Ryan Vogelsong

Sign C Geovany Soto

Rays get: Will Smith
Brewers get: David Dejesus, Curt Casali, PTBNL

Sign OF/DH Delmon Young

Release OF Matt Joyce

Sign RHP Sergio Romo

2015 Lineup:
1. Desmond Jennings, CF
2. Delmon Young, DH
3. Evan Longoria, 3B
4. James Loney, 1B
5. Wil Myers, RF
6. Geovany Soto, C
7. Yunel Escobar, SS
8. Kevin Kiermaier, LF
9. Ben Zobrist, 2B

2015 Bench:
C Jose Molina
OF Tim Beckham
IF/OF Sean Rodriguez
OF Brandon Guyer

2015 Rotation:
1. Alex Cobb, RHP
2. Chris Archer, RHP
3. Matt Moore, LHP
4. Ryan Vogelsong, RHP
5. Jake Odorizzi, RHP

2015 Bullpen:
LHP Drew Smyly
LHP Will Smith
RHP Joel Peralta
RHP Brad Boxberger
RHP Grant Balfour
RHP Kirby Yates

2015 Closer:
RHP Sergio Romo

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I meant IF Tim Beckham, not OF

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Too Much for Will Smith. Vogelsong may be too expensive for the Rays. Soto is Okay.

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Smyly is usually a starting pitcher.

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The Rays May be in trouble next year.

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Wheres mcgee

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^^And a better one than Ryan Vogelsong, at that

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Brewers say no in Will Smith deal. Why do they need a horrible hitting outfielder?

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28 Sep 2014 02:30:43
Mariners Offseason

Pick up Iwakumas team option

Sign Jon Lester or James Shields 5 years 90 million

Trade Justin Smoak for Mid Level prospect

Sign Yasmani Thomas 5 years 15 million a year

Lineup

1 Austin Jackson CF
2 Dustin Ackley LF
3 Robinson Cano 2B
4 Yasmani Thomas RF
5 Kyle Seager 3B
6 Logan Morrison 1B
7 Michael Saunders DH
8 Mike Zunino C
9 Chris Taylor SS

Pitching Rotation

1 Felix Hernandez
2 Jon Lester
3 Iwakuma
4 Taijuan Walker
5 James Paxton

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The Mariners can't afford both Lester and Tomas.

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Yea um, I don't see them getting either Lester or Shields. Lester will get over 100 mil. and Shields will probably get what you said. I don't see them getting Tomas, who will get a longer deal and around 100 million which is absurd.

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28 Sep 2014 02:17:51
Yankees re-sign CHase Headley to play 3rd base, arod the regular dh (unfortunately they are stuck with him)sign Hanley Ramirez to replace jeter at ss. sign Jon Lester, or James shields, re-sign Brandon mcarthey. try to get David Robertson to accept qualifying offer, chris young replaces ichiro as 4th outfielder.
lineup. Ellsbury cf. Gardner lf. Beltran rf. h. ramirez ss. McCann c. A-rod dh. TexeirA 1b. Headley 3b. Prado 2b. ROTATION. 1. Lester. 2. Tanaka. 3. Pineda. 4. Sabathia. 5. Mcarthey

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I think the Yankees will only get one of the top arms, not two.

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Ramirez really isn't a shortstop anymore.

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Which is why I hope they stay away from Hanley and let the Dodgers or Mets make the mistake with him. They Need to get younger. I don't see Headley coming back, A-Rod and Beltran will probably split the DH role. And I wouldn't be surprised if they got Tomas.

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They only need 1 starter because Nova is returning

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27 Sep 2014 19:31:08
Mets acquire Troy Tulowitzki
Rockies acquire Noah Syndergaard, Rafael Montero, Dilson Herrera, and Kevin Plawecki.

Mets acquire Scott Van Slyke
Dodgers acquire Bartolo Colon (and take on his 11 mil)

Mets sign Michael Cuddyer for 2 years 16 mil

1. Granderson
2. Murphy
3. Tulowitzki
4. Duda (Van Slyke against lefties)
5. Wright
6. Cuddyer
7. d'Arnaud
8. Lagares

1. Harvey
2. Wheeler
3. deGrom
4. Niese
5. Gee

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Tulowitzki probably wouldn't waive his no trade clause to goto the Mets.

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Tulowitzki doesn't have a no trade clause until he is traded once.

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27 Sep 2014 03:13:19
The Phillies have a multi-year rebuild to go through. Here are some ideas for taking that first step. Don't misunderstand, the result will not be a playoff contender, but they need to start somewhere. It's too soon to go after someone like Tomas - need to start building the base first.

1. Trade Cole Hamels and Mike Adams to Boston. I agree with posters here who have said that Mookie Betts will NOT be traded by the Sox (although as a Phils fan I'd love to have him). I think a pitching-heavy package of Allen Webster, Blake Swihart, Henry Owens, Matt Barnes, and Sean Coyle would be a great haul. A rebuilding team needs to start with arms.
2. Trade Ryan Howard and $20M to the Yankees for Greg Bird and Jose Ramirez. A slight return, but that's the most we can hope to get for him.
3. Trade Jon Papelbon and $15M to Detroit for Devon Travis.
4. Trade Marlon Byrd to SF for Clayton Blackburn.
5. Trade Dom Brown to the Cubs for Dan Straily.
6. Trade Antonio Bastardo to Pittsburgh for Josh Bell.
7. Sign Ryan Vogelsong 1 year/ $9M
8. Sign Emilio Bonifacio 2 years / $10M

Rotation now: Hamels, Lee, Vogelsong, Barnes, Buchanan. Future: Owens, Nola, Webster, Blackburn, Biddle. Straily, E Martin, A Morgan, etc for depth.
Bullpen: Giles, DeFratus, MA Gonzalez, Diekman, Hollands, Ramirez.
C: Ruiz, Swihart
1B: Ruf, Bird
2B: Utley, Travis, Coyle
3B: Franco, Asche+
SS: Rollins, Galvis, Crawford
OF: Sizemore, Revere, Bonifacio, Bell

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So where exactly will Howard play on the Yankees? Teixeria is a better defender. Beltran and A-Rod will probably split the DH role. Plus the Yankees aren't going to give up Bird and Ramirez to get him. And more than 20 million would have to be going the Yankees way. That trade will not happen. I think you're overvaluing everyone else other than Hamels. Also you're missing the biggest change the Phillies need to make and that's firing Amaro.

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U just traded hamels to boston why is he in your new rotation

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^ Oops! .

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That's a fair package for Hamels. I think both teams do well.

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If Hamels is traded, how will he be in the phillies' rotation?

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Why would pirates trade their top prospect for a RP who had a 4. 00 era

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I see few, if any, of these trades happening. The Red Sox are not going to give up three of their top pitching prospects in any deal. I disagree that they will not consider trading Betts. As it stands now they cannot contend with their rotation, and in order to improve it they are going to have to deal some of their young hitters like Betts, Bogaerts, Bradley, etc.
As for the other deals, you have to have a willing trade partner and I don't see any of those teams as willing to acquire what is being offered.

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^I think Betts has played himself into untradable territoty.

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Adams contract is done too, he's gone.

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27 Sep 2014 01:38:56
Mets offseason:

Sign SS Jed Lowrie

Mets get: Carlos Santana, Trevor Bauer, Matt Kemp, JP Howell
Indians get: Lucas Duda, Bobby Parnell, Andrew Brown, Corey Seager, PTBNL from Dodgers
Dodgers get: Ruben Tejada, Dario Alvarez, PTBNL from Indians

Sign RHP Koji Uehara

Sign RHP Brandon McCarthy

Sign IF Ramon Santiago

Sign C Russell Martin

Mets get: Low A prospects
Mariners get: Travis d'Arnaud

Sign LHP Phil Coke

2015 Lineup:
1. Eric Young, CF
2. Jed Lowrie, SS
3. David Wright, 3B
4. Curtis Granderson, RF
5. Russell Martin, C
6. Matt Kemp, LF
7. Daniel Murphy, 2B
8. Carlos Santana, 1B
9. Pitchers slot

2015 Bench:
IF Wilmer Flores
C Anthony Recker
OF Kirk Nieuwenhuis
IF Ramon Santiago

2015 Rotation:
1. Matt Harvey, RHP
2. Bartolo Colon, RHP
3. Jonathan Niese, LHP
4. Zack Wheeler, RHP
5. Jacob DeGrom, RHP

2015 Bullpen:
RHP Brandon McCarthy
LHP JP Howell
RHP Jenry Mejia
RHP Carlos Torres
LHP Phil Coke
LHP Dana Eveland

2015 closer:
RHP Koji Uehara

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Wait is this serious I really really hope u are joking

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So the dodgers are going to give up a top OF and their best prospect for nothing

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27 Sep 2014 01:04:53
The Phillies trade Ryan Howard plus some salary to the
white Sox for prospect Trayce Thompson.

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How much is "some"? It'll have to be at least $25 MM

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The phillies are going to have to pay at least 40 million dollars, if they expect to trade Howard.

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Geez, I wish, I proposed trading Asche for Thompson not too long ago. Howard is not going to get ANYTHNG of value in return and Thompson has some major potential.

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26 Sep 2014 22:29:14
RHP Max Scherzer
Can or will sign with 3 team DET, LAD, NYY

LHP John Lester
Can or will sign with 4 team CHC, BOS, LAD maybe NYY

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Lester-Cubs or New York. LA doesn't need starters, they have enough. The Boston shipped sailed when the couldn't come to an agreement on an extension and definetly when they traded him.
Schrezer- Detroit, New York, or Texas. No LA for the same reason as above. I truly don't think Detroit will happen.

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I don't thinks Lester to Boston is that unbelievable, but I definitely think the Cubs are the favorites.

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26 Sep 2014 20:36:47
Sign Yasmani Tomas to a 7 year 90 million dollar deal

trade for Elvis Andrus 25% Salary, Neftali Feliz
Rangers get Murphy, rafael montero, Barandon Nimmo

Trade Colon for a top AA prospects (salary dump)

mets new 2015 lineup/rotation

1 SS Elvis Andrus
2 CF Juan Lagares
3 3B David wright
4 LF Yasmani Tomas
5 1B Lucas Duda
6 RF Curtis Granderson
7 C Travis darnoud
8 2B Dilson Herrera/ Wilmer Flores

Rotation
1 Matt Harvey
2 Jacob d'grom
3 Zack Wheeler
4 Jon Niese
5 Gee / Sydengard

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Decent, really like the tomas signing but they might be to cheap to do it. I wouldn't do the trade for elvis tho, i'd rather sign someone for that price nd keep the kids, for example jj hardy, jed lawrie, possibly even hanley ramierez.

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26 Sep 2014 17:25:26
Mets get Jose Bautista
Blue Jays get Noah Syndergaard, Kevin Plawecki, Rafael Montero, and Dilson Herrera

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Neither team would do that. The Blue Jays may never trade with the mets again. also that is giving up way too much for a 34 year old injury prone player

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Wayy to much for bautista, i'm sure jays would take sydergaard nd herrera alone lol

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^No. Bautista's one of the best hitters in MLB.

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Not sure mets would part for that much for a 2 years of someone who will be 34 at the start of 2015. but blue jays would do that.

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24 Sep 2014 05:56:16
alderson extended. not much of a suprise not sure how ifeel about that but they claim they have payroll flexibility here are some ideas incase that's true.

Sign Michael Cudayer to a 2 year 16 million dollar deal

trade for starlin castro
cubs get noah syndergaard, rafael montero dillon gee

Trade murphy for some prospects (salary dump)

mets new 2015 lineup/rotation

1 SS starlin Castro
2 CF Juan Lagares
3 3B David wright
4 1B Lucas Duda
5 LF Michael Cudayer
6 RF Curtis Granderson
7 C Travis darnoud
8 2B Dilson Herrera/ Wilmer Flores

Rotation
1 Matt Harvey
2 Jacob d'grom
3 Zack Wheeler
4 Jon Niese
5 Bartolo Colon

Let flores nd herrera battle it out in spring whoever doesn't get the job stays at AAA to develop

payroll will be roughly 95-100 million not sure if too high for the mets, but more then reasonable and can fight forr a postseason spot.

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Murphy is more than a salary dum p player.

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To me a salary dump is when you trade someone away who is making over 10 million a year or higher. Murphy is not.

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Huhhhhhh. Nope

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Agreed but we know the mets are fairly cheap, to most teams he isn't a dump lol. but hell make around 7-9 mil next year

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If there is a salary dump, it will be Colon. Murphy is worth keeping next year. If NYM has a goal of the playoffs, Murphy has to be on the team. He is a perfect no. 2 hitter

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Yea. agreed but whos going to take on colons salary?

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Waaaay to much for Castro. Mets wouldn't trade just Syndergaard for him, so why would they add in montero and gee.

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Dont think its too much, gees inconsistent syndergaard n montero rnt proven arms at the major leauge level castros a 24 year old 3x all star

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24 Sep 2014 00:38:14
Jay Bruce is an interesting case. Assuming he is available, this trade could benefit both teams.

Mets get: Jay Bruce, Zack Cozart
Reds get: Dillon Gee, Brandon Nimmo, Steven Matz/Dilson Herrera

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I don't see this happening. Other than Wilmer Flores, the Mets don't have anyone the Reds might be interested in. All this trade would achieve is open up another hole in the Reds outfield and they already have a 2B-type player comparable to Herrera in Kris Negron

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I'd think the Reds would be interested in the Met's young pitching, seeing as 2 of Cueto, Leake, and Latos are probably gone by 2016

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^Not really. While I very much like the Mets young starters in Harvey, deGrom and Wheeler, the Reds have more pitching talent coming in the minors than the Mets do. 14 of their top 20 prospects are all pitchers, and according to MLB.com and Baseball America, eight of them are expected at the major league level as soon as 2016 in Robert Stephenson, Michael Lorenzen, Nick Howard, Ben Lively, Nick Travieso, Jon Moscot, Daniel Corcino and David Holmberg. The Reds and Mets just don't match up for any significant trades.

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23 Sep 2014 00:56:50
Mets trade Noah Syndergaard, Rafael Montero, Kevin Plawecki, Matt Reynolds, and Dilson Herrera for Troy Tulowitzki. Rockies eat 40% of his contract with Mets giving such a big package for him.

Mets sign Yasmani Tomas for 6 years 80 mil.

Trade Bartolo Colon to Dodgers for average prospect to clear salary. (dodgers eat his 11 mil)

1. Granderson RF
2. Murphy 2B
3. Tulowitzki SS
4. Tomas LF
5. Wright 3B
6. Duda 1B
7. d'Arnaud C
8. Lagares CF

1. Harvey
2. deGrom
3. Wheeler
4. Niese
5. Gee

payroll (with rockies paying 40% of tulo and colon off the books, but adding tomas) at around 100 mil

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6 yrs, $80 million for Tomas ain't going to cut it. Way too much competition from some high payroll teams.

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22 Sep 2014 17:28:53
MLB Trade Rumors posted this morning that the Reds will trade one of their staring pitchers over the off season, with Mat Latos being the most likely to go. They listed five teams as potential trade partners in the Cubs, Diamondbacks, Indians, Red Sox and Dodgers.
I would discount the Dodgers (their OF'ers all too expensive for the Reds taste), the Cubs (same-division trades seldom happen) and the Indians (they don't match up well with what the Reds are looking for). That leaves Boston and Arizona, so here goes.

Trade SP Mat Latos and minor league prospect to Boston for 1B/OF Allen Craig, INF Xander Bogaerts and minor league prospect

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Trade SP Mat Latos and SS Zack Cozart to Arizona for 1B/OF Mark Trumbo, SS Chris Owings and Minor league RP Jake Barrett.

TarheelRed

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The Diamondbacks have no need for a light-hitting shortstop like Cozart. They have Ahmed and Gregorius. I think Latos for Trumbo and maybe Barrett would be a fine deal, but the dbacks should hold onto Owings, since he's the only middle infielder who can hit this season and he's still young.

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Sox aren't giving up Bogaerts for Latos. His immense upside is not something you mortgage for one year of an injury-prone pitcher whose K and GB rates have dropped precipitously over the last year.

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^Injury prone? Latos has averaged 32 starts and 200 innings the previous four years. I think you'll find the Red Sox would be very interested in Latos, especially since their young pitching that finished the season has been "somewhat disappointing" (their words, not mine). I expect the Red Sox to look to bring in several starters this off season, and now there is a report that Pedroia might be made available to this end.

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^^ I don't disagree with your comments about Cozart, but having him would allow the D'backs to trade Gregorius for other team needs. Ultimately I don't want Latos to be traded (I would trade Votto, which would allow me to keep the pitching staff in tact), but if they feel they have to trade Latos, Trumbo and Barrett would work for me.

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^^Pedroia is not being made available. And they'd be interested in Latos, just not at the cost of Bogaerts.

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MLB Network reports that, in the right deal, the Red Sox would consider trading Pedroia for starting pitching. Of course it helps to have a 2B waiting in the wings in Mookie Betts.
Oddly enough, Jason Kipnis is rumored to also be available, although not as a 2B. Because of injury, the Indians plan to move him to the OF next year or trade him for starting pitching.

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Yea they most certainly no reports of that. None. I haven't heard on MLB Network or seen that anywhere else.

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^Pedroia has a full no-trade clause, and I doubt he'd waive it. Besides, if the Red Sox trade Pedroia, then no one will ever sign a team-friendly contract with them ever again. Don't believe everything you see on TV.

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The "report" made on MLB Network was more speculation than anything else. They were discussing the Red Sox lack of starting pitching and who could be dealt to help. The names of several young players came up (Betts, Bradley, Ceccini, etc) and it was mentioned that the Sox could also consider Pedrioa since they have Betts. I did also read something similar on a trade rumor site

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22 Sep 2014 00:05:05
Red Sox OffSeason moves:
- (Figured available $$. around 70M after expenses).
*No Blockbuster trades for Sale, Stanton, Cueto, etc. * *Smart Spending* should leave around 10M left'

(1). Sign JAMES SHIELD. - (SP)-
The ideal Catalyst/Leader to give Sox Rotation it's much needed boost. There will be bigger offers on the table but [ 4yrs. /88M] should be enough to reel him in. The team's potential of having yet another "worst-to-first" contending season combined with his role as a #1 or#2 go-to-guy should appeal to him. He is aging and has struggled as of late but still puts up the necessary #'s to be a proven leader. Previous AL East experience will provide to very valuable.

(2). Trade for COLE HAMELS. - (SP)-
A dominant Lefty at #1 or #2 to share the similar role that SHIELDS will have. His [4yr. /90+M] contract is great bang for the buck just like the Red Sox like it. shorter yrs. lower$$. Renowned reputation/Dominating #'s as a leader with a few top-notch yrs. left in the tank. Unproven history with AL teams but is worth the risk. Though it might cost the Sox a dent in their available youth, I think it's worth the shot.
Dealing- [H. Owens, A. Webster, S. Coyle and D. Nava] just might get it done. If another piece was needed, the Sox can afford it.

(3). Sign ANDREW MILLER. - (RP)-
Sox need to get him back on the team. He will provide dominating Lefty help for T. Layne. He has proven to be a Top 3 Lefty in the Majors. Grade A SO/K ratio. He has shown great interest in resigning with the Sox. He said the stay was a great experience for He and His family. A Big Pickup -[3yrs. /30M] should get it done.

(4). Trade for TREVOR PLOUFFE. (3B)
His bat can provide 15HR/60-70RBI potentially. Above-average defense. A team player with spark and is a good club-house presence.
-[offering W. Middlebrooks as the centerpiece and maybe 1 other might get it done].
- *Signing P. SANDOVAL aka "The Kung Fu Panda" would be an enticing blend with the International talent on the team but the Sox need to be prepared on what to do with Y. Cespedes, which is just around the bend. Pablo would require too much $$$ for his Switch Hitting skill.


(5). Trade for TYLER CLIPPARD. - (RP)-
The Sox jammed Outfield will allow for Shane Victorino to be traded to bring in another top quality Reliever with K. Uehera parting ways at season's end.


(6). Resign KOJI UEHERA. - (CL)-
Even with 40yrs. of age closing in on him along with his recent woes at season's end in 2014. he still has got enough in the tank to turn things around. He's a rarity amongst closers. He'll find the will to put up another 30-35 saves and then leave the reigns to the Sox's youth thereafter.
*[1yr. /8-10M]should retain his service.


STARTING ROTATION: LINEUP:
#1- C. Hamels (L) (1). M. Betts -RF-
#2- J. Shields (R) (2). D. Pedrioa -2B-
#3- C. Bucholz (R) (3). D. Ortiz -DH-
#4- J. Kelly (R) (4). Y. Cespedes -LF-
#5- R. DeLaRosa (R) (5). M. Napoli -1B-
(6). R. Castillo -CF-
(7). T. Plouffe -3B-
(8). X. Bogaerts -SS-
(9). C. Vasquez -C-

RELIEVERS: BENCH:
-CL- K. Uehera (R)
-SU- T. Clippard (R) -B. Holt -UT-
-SU- A. Miller (L) -A. Craig -OF/1B
-MR- J. Tazawa (R) -J. BradleyJr. -OF-
-MR- E. Mujica (R) -B. Swihart -C-
-MR- T. Layne (L)
-LR- B. Workman (R)

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For Hamels, keep Nava and add Betts and Bradley, Jr. Then you might have a deal.

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Though I somewhat agree with your idea, I would prefer to keep the younger Betts and Bradley Jr. over Nava who is already 31. Having a great season a year ago and a soso season this year. he might demand more $$$ that could used towards Bradley Jr. and or Betts in the near future. Besides he had his chance to secure a permanent job. time to let the youngsters grow and settle in.

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Even though those offseason moves for Bosox seem very do-able and smart. they could also go the another way. annoying many no doubt. but potentially rewarding much sooner than later.

(1). Everyone who was ailing with injuries this year. gets healthy and just chase SHIELDSandMILLER and hope the present pitching falls in to suit and improves greatly. (2). Then. throw as many Cards n' Cash as necessary. (within reason of course) and take a bold charge for Mr. GIANCARLOS STANTON. A custom-made player for Fenway Park. A definite Franchise Face for the Sox for years to come. Papi is on his last legs of Legacy and Pedrioa is getting older and can't be the Bosox's savior by himself anymore. It would against the grain for the Sox's way business is run but the Stanton's of the world come along once in a blue moon. Get him while the gettin's good.

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Hamels deal is centered around Betts and Swihart. doesn't matter who gets thrown in after that, but the original posters offer is an insult. Owens could be a centerpiece, but Webster, Coyle and Nava after that? Not happening. I understand not wanting to trade top prospects, but Hamels deal is stellar and puts him through age 34! His ERA this year is less than 2. 5 and he's PROVEN, left handed commodity. Just one blue chip and potential trash with him ain't going to cut it. Betts and Swihart WITH Coyle and Webster or no dice.
Plus, there ARE other suitors out there in the AL East too that could get a deal done for Hamels, it is what it is.

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Like the Plouffe idea. It might take a bit more than WMB to get him though.

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^Coyle isn't trash. But I agree that it needs more. How about Swihart, Owens, Cecchini, and Ranaudo for Hamels?

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The required farm talent amongst other AL East teams pursuing Cole Hamels is not nearly as abundant as the Sox's system. The way I see it, only the Chicago Cubs with the talent they could offer are the closest competitors to land Hamels. The above offer is not an insulting one. Even though the Sox finished dead last divisionally, they are still in the cat-bird seat with a potential trade like this. If it doesn't pan out, they can just easily shop elsewhere for less demanding deals.
I'm a believer that signing James Shields is the primary target for the Sox turnaround in the pitching department as well as key players like Pedrioa, Craig, and Napoli getting healed. For me, Cole Hamels would be just a complementing co-leader. Besides, Ruben Amaro is on the hot seat to make something happen or he's finished. I wouldn't budge as much as one would think you should. Even though the Phillies want a deal centered around Betts, he has way too much proven upside and spark at such a young age for the Sox to let him go. I would centerpiece the deal elsewhere. I find just as much temptation with the talent offered below. If the Phillies don't like it. as you said. no dice, look elsewhere.

Deal-[Swihart, Bradley Jr. , Coyle, Owens and Raynaudo-or-Webster or even both of them].
Loads of Upside in basically all of them. Quality Infield, Outfield, and Pitching.

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^ You said it very well, although I would hold out for Owens over Webster.

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I didn't say Coyle is trash, I said POTENTIAL, meaning he may be a serviceable major league ballplayer or a future game-changer, but it's not known. That's why prospects are classified as prospects. Shoot, last year folks were screamin about Bradly Jr. being included in any trades and after this year, folks are starting to change their tune and now I see him in all of these proposals for whoever. I wouldn't give up on him since this one year in the bigs is a small sample size, but some guys just don't pan out and this is Cole Hamels we're talking about, who is locked up through his prime!

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Toronto, Tampa and Baltimore would digress with their prospect pool. Toronto is a dark horse if Hamels doesn't put them on his no trade clause due by Nov. 1 I think. Pompey would be in that deal undoubtedly with one of Stroman/Sanchez and one of Norris/Nolin. That's a stellar offer.

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A decent attempt but not enough for Hamels. Yes, Toronto is a dark horse but keep in mind, the Phillies are looking to rebuild as quick as they can. they are seeking more in a deal for Hamels. One young unproven outfielder & 2 very promising young pitchers being dealt would leave a big void in Toronto's pitching staff. A major key for the Blue Jays to turn things around next year is to cure their pitching woes. involve their young pitching even more. Even with M. Cabrera out in free agency, their hitting should be more than ample. Stroman and Sanchez need to stay. Morrow's output is a?, not knowing if J. A. Happ gets resigned, what success will Dickey's 40yr. old knuckler provide? Will the aging Buerhle be himself?, what will they do with Jannsen? Bigger?'s in the rotation and bullpen than I would prefer. I would agree having Cole Hamels in return could have a profound impact but would it be enough?

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Annually, everyone has the right to be open with their opinions and such about the year's big names via free agency and trade. it' fun. As always though whether we like or not, big money always talks when the Big Names are available. This year will be no different. Max will most surely be a Yankee, Lester a Cub, and Shields with the Bosox. Any preceding reasons for their departures will not change. They sign with gr
That leaves C. Hamels in question. Though he's not a free agent, nor on the way out, he is probably the most tempting-team altering big-name move possibility not involved in free agency. or with guys named Stanton. Only the few teams with the big$$ and youth to offer will make this a reality.
I feel the Phillies are going to be the team that are going to get Yosmani Tomas for [6yrs. /90-100M]. Though he was not the radar of many until recently. including the Phillies, I believe this happens before they decide to trade Cole Hamels to where? the Red Sox. They will toss the most aggressive dollar of any team out there to land Tomas. This move only complements their extreme scouting efforts this season, as proven in their never-seen-before relentless pusuit of the Sox's youth all season long. They are definitely eager for change to take place now. not later. It's obvious to me the Phills are not going to walk away empty-handed from all the efforts in scouting the Sox. But now I believe the Sox can be more flexible in who they give away for Hamels.

R. Sox get :*Cole Hamels
Phills get :*Swihart, Bradley Jr.
Webster, Reynaudo, Merrero. *

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Great discussion. I just want to reiterate that I didn't mean anything negative towards Coyle. He could be a diamond in the rough, but we just don't know. Should be an interesting offseason and undoubtedly Shields, Lester, and Price need to find new homes before we could see what makes the most sense for a Hamels trade.

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It's all good by me! As the originator of this discussion, It wasn't "I" that took any offense, someone else did. They obviously shouldn't take things so personal. The way I see it, there's no need to recant about any trash remark made about S. Coyle or anyone else for that matter. It's OK by me. As a Sox fan for 35yrs. , it's all part of the game, as being part of the Yankee Haters club. For me this offseason is huge. Any and all objective views are welcome.

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Let's go back to a point made a little earlier. The deal MUST start with Betts and Swihart. Then you can add 2-3 of Owens, Ranaudo, Coyle, etc.

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Now this is sounding very peculiar. You must be Cole Hamel's agent or a VIP for the Phillies G. M. am I right?
O. K. I'll play this move your way 1 last time
Anyways, as the original poster of this list of moves, let's review this particular move for a 3rd time.
You keep harping Betts and Swihart and then throw in basically anyone else in the world, why not just let people's opinions be, and move on after the 1st rebutal? In a normal negotiation with no other hidden factors in play, sure I can agree on those names as a centerpiece.
Now amongst all this talk about players needed in this deal, have you brought this silent factor into the equation, as a negiotating possility, it's been in the back of my mind, How about yours? I give a 95% not a 100% assurity, the Phillies will secure Y. Tomas at a similar $$ tag that Hamels is paid now. Now with that extra price tag possibly on the books;I'd play the odds on offering low and staying there. Thus the reasoning for the names I offered. For sure, someone's going to have to get moved with a team that's in rebuild mode, right? You might think I'm underselling this trade without a just cause or without sound reasoning in mind. Well then if that's the case, I ask you this. Knowing that Tomas may be a new edition on their books, Would you be pushing the same name demands in that return now? I wouldn't think so. Once again, that's why my suggested offer is a lesser one.
This is the very reason why Cole Hamels was mentioned as a Co-Leading Option, not the "only" option to give a resurgence into the Sox Rotation. If the deal doesn't pan out in that fashion, that's why I would walk away from it. Way too much harping and haggling is going to occur in these negotiations over Hamels, if they haven't already. The very reason you sell low and stick to it.
My 1st and only Primary Target is and was James Shields as the new leadership as the #1 in their staff. Cole Hamels was always considered a "possibility", nothing more.
No player ever is worth giving up the whole farm.
In conclusion, I bid you farewell.

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Let me ask you this as a Phils fan, what would you say if the Phillies chipped in $10-$15 million? Might be chump change to the Red Sox, but maybe help a little with moving better prospects for Hamels. I originally said center the deal around BEtts and Swihart, but I 'd be happy with Owens instead of Swihart as I think the Phils have some decent young catching coming around possibly in 2-3, even if Tommy Joseph doesn't work out. So maybe something like that if BoSox absorb contract. and yes, I'm praying that Rube pulls the trigger on Tomas. Not sure how they can pass up a guy turning 24 that's been proven against worthy competition to 7 yrs/$105 million. He has no hesitation of gift wrapping ridiculous contract to old guys.

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The Phils will most likely lose out on Tomas, just as they did on Castillo, Puig, Tanaka, etc etc ad infinitum. Besides, why would you think other deals would make a difference to what is required to get our ace? A, BTW, a pitcher who would be your ace, regardless of Shields. The Cubs, Dodgers and Jays, at least, have as much quality to offer as the Sox. The one who offers the most will get him. That's IF the Phils decide to trade him.

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21 Sep 2014 01:06:00
Reds get-
Soler
Russell or alcantara

Cubs get-
Latos
Lecure
Lively or garrett

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If it's just Soler and Alcantara, sure. But Russell's on a different level

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Almora, Pierce Johnson and Russell for Hamels

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Soalr is not going anywhere.

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It will be very interesting to see what the Cubs do in the off season. I suspect they will trade Castro, but he will not bring a stud staring pitcher in return. Soler could be packaged for one, though, and don't forget they have Bryant coming real soon to play RF

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20 Sep 2014 19:49:01
Angels Offseason

Sign RHP James Shields 6/95
Sign LHP Neal Cotts 2/8
Trade 2B Howie Kendrick, LHP Hector Santiago, and 3B David Freese to the Orioles for RHP Hunter Harvey and OF Quintin Berry

LINEUP
1. Calhoun RF
2. Trout CF
3. Pujols 1B
4. Hamilton LF
5. Aybar SS
6. Cron DH
7. Jimenez 3B
8. Green 2B
9. Iannetta C

ROTATION
1. Jered Weaver RHP
2. Garrett Richards RHP
3. Matt Shoemaker RHP
4. James Shields RHP
5. C. J. Wilson LHP

BULLPEN
Rasmus-RHP
Cotts-LHP
Morin-RHP
Pestano-RHP
Jepsen-RHP
Smith-RHP Set Up
Street-RHP Closer

BENCH
Beckham 2B/SS/3B
Conger C
Cowgill OF
Berry OF

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The Angels are hovering at the luxury tax barrier, and don't want to cross it. I don't think any expensive free agents are in play for them.

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As an Angels fan, no way would I want Howie to leave, even Soc said him and Aybar are the unsung heroes of the team.

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20 Sep 2014 17:43:15
NY Yankees offseason:
Resign RHP David Robertson

Sign RHP Max Scherzer

Sign IF Pablo Sandoval

Sign SS Jed Lowrie

Yankees get: Aaron Hill
D-Backs get: JR Murphy, Manny Banuelos, Jose A. Ramirez, Ian Clarkin, Cash

Sign OF Melky Cabrera

Sign LHP Neal Cotts

Sign RHP Chris Young

Sign 1B/DH Kendrys Morales

Resign RHP Brandon McCarthy

Release RHP Shawn Kelley

Sign RHP Pat Neshek

2015 Lineup:
1. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
2. Brett Gardner/Melky Cabrera, LF
3. Carlos Beltran, RF
4. Mark Teixeira, 1B
5. Alex Rodriguez, SS
6. Pablo Sandoval, 3B
7. Kendrys Morales, DH
8. Aaron Hill, 2B
9. Jed Lowrie, SS

2015 Bench:
C Francisco Cervelli
IF Brendan Ryan
OF Melky Cabrera/Brett Gardner
IF/OF Martin Prado

2015 Rotation:
1. Max Scherzer, RHP
2. Masahiro Tanaka, RHP
3. Chris Young, RHP
4. CC Sabathia, LHP
5. Michael Pineda, RHP

2015 Bullpen:
LHP Neal Cotts
RHP Brandon McCarthy
LHP David Huff
RHP David Phelps
RHP Pat Neshek
RHP Dellin Betances

2015 Closer:
RHP David Robertson

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So did you think before you posted or just randomly put this together. Its awful. Resigning Robertson is a given. I don't see them signing Scherzer, he's good, but I don't trust him in Yankee Stadium. Sandoval is a no for me as is Lowrie. You traded way way to much for Hill. There is absolutely no chance bringing Melky Cabrera back. No to Morales and Young. Brett Gardner is not a platoon player. the DH will be either Beltran or A-Rod if he's kept around. And your really foolish to believe A-Rod will play SS. And second base will be manned by Rob Refsnyder who should have gotten called up this year. You also seem to forget a guy named Ivan Nova is coming back.

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As a Sox fan, I agree that playing A-Rod at shortstop is a fantastic idea.

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No catcher?

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Thats just signing random free agents with no consideration of prospects, positional depth, etc. (just like NYY did last offseason). It doesn't do any good. The Yankees aren't very good right now and likley won't be for a few years. Its just reality/

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I'd love to see two shortstops at the same time. And no catcher.

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I might have to agree to this because the yankees can aford anbody lol

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^ There's a difference between "can" and "should". Can they buy every overpriced, late-prime, high tier free agent on the market like they did last year? Yes? Should they? No

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19 Sep 2014 20:34:15
NY Mets
1. Trade B. Colon
2. Trade for Dodger OF Scott Van Slyke
3. Plawecki should be back up C and spell Duda against 50% of lefties to get 300+ AB's in 2015
4. Start Flores at SS: have Reynolds in AAA in case he falters
5. If out of playoff hunt, trade Murphy at deadline
6. Go with a 6 man rotation to protect Harvey coming back form Tommy John, give niese and Gee extra rest between starts and conrtol the innings of wheeler, deGrom and Montero
7. Start Herrera in AAA. why rush a 21 year old?

Starting Lineup
1. Lagares CF
2. Murphy 2B
3. Wright 3B
4. Duda 1B
5. d'Arnaud C
6. Flores SS
7. Granderson RF
8. S Van Slyke LF

Starting Rotation
1. M. Harvey
2. Z. Wheeler
3. J. deGrom
4. J. Niese
5. D. Gee
6. Montero
7. Synderaard AAA
8. Matz AAA

Bullpen
1. Mejia CL
2. Parnell CL
3. Familia R
4. Black R
5. Edjin L
6. Carlyle / Eveland / Torres

Bench
1. denDekker OF
2. Neiwenheius OF
3. Campbell 1B, 2B, 3B, LF, SS
4. Plawecki C, 1B
5. Tejada SS, 2B

AAA - Herrera
AAA - Reynolds

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I doubt the Dodgers trade Van Slyke. He's probably their second best outfielder, and he's cheap.

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Thats literally the same team as this year (besides Harvey of course)- a team that is well out of the playoffs. While they won't spend a ton of money, they will bring in a veteran and make maybe one trade (Cuddyer and a SS maybe?)

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19 Sep 2014 19:15:04
NY Mets

1. Trade Bartolo Colon
2. Trade for Dodgers OF Scott Van Slyke (won't cost too much, has nice pop and is blocked in LA)
3. Call up Plawecki to backup C and Right handed 1b
4. Go with 6 man rotation to preserve young pitchers

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The Dodgers will probably be looking to deal Kemp, Ethier, or Crawford. Van Slyke is better than all three, and is considerably cheaper.

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19 Sep 2014 17:05:54
seattle off season

No it's not a stanton trade or a tulo trade!!

its simple we address our needs

2 RH power bats-Nelson Cruz and JJ Hardy

LH reliver Resign Joe beimel

OF bat- Melky Cabera or steve Souza (via trade)


let me know what you think

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I like it. Would of been good for this yr

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Cruz is going to be an albatross contract I get the feeling and his glove is terrible. How about still trying to work a deal with the Phillies for Marlon Byrd who could hit, is a RH bat, plays great defense, had great instincts and doesn't have much of a commitment tied to him?

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There are some elements of what you've presented that make sense. The Nelson Cruz/JJ Hardy signings are going to be long contracts and big dollars. Both guys are on the wrong side of 30, so, it's not a strong likelihood Jack Z would go there. The resigning of Beimel. is a good idea. getting another guy like him, is a better idea. The Steve Souza idea could be two birds with one stone type thing. The Washington Nationals have only a couple of needs. A bullpen arm and a second baseman. Let's try this deal out:

The Nats offer Steven Souza and Sammy Solis for the Mariners' Ketel Marte and Brandon Maurer.

So, it's M & M for S & S. thoughts?

GSon

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That's a lot of slaty for a mid-market team like Seattle to take on.

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Wrong side of 30? did you see what nelson cruz did this year?? Its a move that would put him at DH. It's not rocket science. joe Beimel resign for 2 yrs. Souza because he is young and would not lost a lot like like it would if we were getting Marlon Byrd.

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Long contracts to players on the wrong side of 30 ALWAYS ALWAYS end up badly for the team signing them. There is no doubt that Nelson Cruz had a great season and continues to have a great 2014.

Can you say the same thing in five or six years when he'll be 40 / 41? Simply stated, there is no way that he will be able to produce at that level. That is indisputable. Hence the comment about being on the wrong side of 30. and not by just a little bit.

And that's the kind of deal he'll be asking for. DH or not, four to six years at HUGE $$. The Orioles were fortunate to get him on a one year $ 8 MM deal he signed. but that meager contract means he's going to get paid this time. You are correct. it's not brain science and certainly not rocket surgery. (call that a mixed metaphor).

GSon

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18 Sep 2014 20:40:55
PIRATES OFFSEASON
F/A signings:
C Russell Martin 3 years/39 mil
SP Edinson Volquez 1 year 6.5 mil
UT Emilio Bonifacio 1 year 4 mil
Trades:
PIT acquires: Jose Quintana SP
CHW acquires: Pedro Alvarez DH, Brandon Cumpton SP

PIT acquires: Alberto Callaspo INF, Fernando Rodriguez RP
OAK acquires: Ike Davis 1B
Extensions:
2B Neil Walker: 4 years 33 million
LINEUP:
Harrison 5
Polanco 9
McCutchen 8
Walker 4
Martin 2
Marte 7
Lambo 3
Mercer 6
BENCH:
Snider OF
G. Sanchez 1B
T. Sanchez C
Bonifacio UT
Callaspo INF
ROTATION:
1. Cole R
2. Volquez R
3. Quintana L
4. Morton R
5. Locke L
BULLPEN:
CL: Melancon R
SU: Watson L
LR: Gomez R
LR: Piemental R
MR: Hughes R
MR: Wilson R
MR: Holdzkom R

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Callaspo is a free agent.

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I see Martin leaving Pittsburgh and will probably get 4 years and more money. Volquez could stay. Bonifacio I see getting at least 8 million a year. I think you giving up too much for Quintana. Alberto Callaspo is free agent so that trade can't happen. I see Neil walker getting a longer extension than that.

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Not nearly enough for Quintana. The White So aren't trading a cost-controlled No. 2 for a one-dimensional power hitter who can't get on base and is a defensive liability and a fringy starter who wouldn't be much of an upgrade over some of the people they're sending out now.

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15 Sep 2014 04:12:20
Mets offseason:

Trade Bartolo Colon to Red Sox for prospects

Sign Michael Cuddyer to a 2 yr/ $25 million deal or a 1 year/ $15 million deal (whichever he prefers)

Trade Noah Synderggard, Domingo Taipa, and Brandon Nimmo to CLE for Francisco Lindor and Nick Hagadone

Sign Ryan Doumit and Jonny Gomes to 1 year/3 million deals

Sign Luke Hochaver to a 2 year/6 million deal

Lineup:
Lindor SS
Murphy 2B
Wright 3B
Duda 1B
Cuddyer LF
Granderson RF
D'Arnaud C
Lagares CF
Pitcher

Bench
Flores
Tejada
Doumit
Den Dekker
Gomes

Rotation
Harvey
Wheeler
DeGrom
Niese
Gee

Pen
Mejia-closer
Familia-setup
Black
Parnell
Montero
Hochaver
Edgin- LOOGY

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Domingo Tapia would be an unwanted mess. Even though this would be a good trade for both teams (Mets and Indians), the Indians would want someone like a Wieck or a Teddy Stinky.

GSon

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Depends on what you mean by "prospects" for Colon

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FM RidgeRunner:
Don't see why you would want Doumit. He plays several positions
equally poorly, and fails to hit from
either side. Does that make him a
well-balanced player?

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15 Sep 2014 02:10:27
Red Sox trade Xander Boagerts, Mookie Betts, Blake Swihart, Anthony Raunado, Garin Cecchini, and Jonathan Herrera for Cole Hamels

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*Falls on ground laughing*

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More like bogaerts, betts, owens, cecchini, swihart

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This would be such an overpay for Hamels. Why not just sign Lester? He wouldn't even have a draft pick tied to him. Boston has a ton of young talent, they should not trade all of it for one pitcher with a great injury history.

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Im a phillies fan, and I agree that Cole will be traded to Boston, but this is too much.
Mayb: Betts, Owens, Swihart and Coyle

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Injury history? The guy has been on the DL twice as long as I can remember for minor strains and LEster/Price are going to sign contracts that go well into their upper 30's. Hamels only goes until he's 34. AAV's will likely be similar if not Hamels will be more of a bargain. I understand wanting to hold on to prospects, but it is what it is. Hamels is controllable for the next 4 years, all of which is during his prime. He's worth at least two top prospects organization wise and 3 more in their respective 10-20 rankings. Other than that, sign Lester, Shields or Price and possibly deal with Hamels on another AL East team.

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Betts won't be traded. Period. The only players Boston would trade him for are Stanton and Sale, and they're staying put, so they won't trade him. Same with Bogaerts

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Same with Bogaerts, same with Owens, same with Bradley, same with Swihart. we just want to give up trash for top of the rotation starters and the other team should take it! Unreal.

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^I dot think we should hoe up trash for a front of rotation starter. I think we should just sign a front of the rotation starter and not give up anybody.

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14 Sep 2014 16:30:59
PIT acquires: Rick Porcello SP
DET acquires: Pedro Alvarez 1B/3B/DH, Brandon Cumpton SP, Bobby Lafrombosie RP

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Why would Detroit trade Porcello? He's good! And with Scherzer most likely leaving and Verlander's future in question, the Tigers are in no position to sell of their arms.

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