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16 Mar 2017 20:15:40
Came up with a numb trade the other day:

Pirates trade Ivan Nova.
Royals trade Lorenzo Cain.

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16 Mar 2017 20:36:04
Royals get screwed.

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17 Mar 2017 00:48:06
When you post something like that, you know what you're going to get.

You must love verbal abuse. You were probably the kid that made a "kick me" sign, then stuck it on your own back.

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17 Mar 2017 01:33:51
But do you get it?

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17 Mar 2017 04:47:15
Don't worry, Red Sox Guy, I never pegged you to be astute enough to recognize when someone made a joke.

Seriously, read it again. Slowly. Maybe you'll see the joke. Then again, probably not.

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17 Mar 2017 04:55:19
Lol, it took me a minute, but I got it. Bravo.

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20 Mar 2017 15:33:24
Oh! I get it!

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20 Mar 2017 17:00:35
For those that don't get it (looking at you, Red Sox Guy), here's a hint:

There are no misspelled words in the original post.

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21 Mar 2017 01:21:28
What are you, 12?

We got it the first time. It was stupid then. stupid now.

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21 Mar 2017 03:31:53
"GET OFF MY LAWN! " -Red Sox Guy, 2017.

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21 Mar 2017 03:34:24
Also, based on your initial response, I don't think you're fooling anyone into thinking you got the joke.

You thought it was a serious idea. Admit it.

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21 Mar 2017 13:45:05
DANG Red Sox Guy. Don't know why u are so mad.

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21 Mar 2017 18:10:59
Lay off lol.

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21 Mar 2017 19:53:41
This is a real petty argument now. Its gone to far for the both of you.

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21 Mar 2017 20:15:12
Red Sox Guy is a perpetual bully on this site. Its nice too see someone give him his due. Expos made a funny joke and Red Sox got all pissy.

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21 Mar 2017 20:16:51
My apologies, everyone.

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23 Mar 2017 02:40:56
Haven't been on site for a bit. This thread made me laugh. Just a little.

Looking forward to upcoming new season, anyone wanna throw out some predictions?

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12 Mar 2017 03:57:25
Royals trade: Kyle Zimmer Jorge bonifacio Samir duenez peter o brien jake junis Ryan o Hearn
Blue jays trade: Aaron Sanchez Marcus stroman

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13 Mar 2017 23:10:59
Jays rejected Stroman for Blackmon, they're not trading him and Sanchez for prospects not even in the top 100.

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23 Mar 2017 02:41:54
Jay's wouldn't trade Sanchez for almost anybody right now, so let's not even go there please.

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07 Mar 2017 23:50:34
White Sox Get:

Mallex Smith OF
Willy Adames SS
Jake Bauers 1B/OF

Rays Get:

Jose Quintana

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08 Mar 2017 11:50:43
Rays aren't giving up their future. The rays wouldn't do this, and as a fan, I wouldn't think it's good for the rays.

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08 Mar 2017 13:36:54
Aren't the Rays sort of rebuilding? This wouldn't be a process of rebuilding.

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08 Mar 2017 19:05:38
The rays don't really need quintana either. If they want to contend, they are better off spending their prospects on a bat.

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10 Mar 2017 12:01:57
Makes no sense for either team.

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10 Mar 2017 20:53:54
Makes total sense for the white sox. 3 bats with really high potential. They get someone to play 3rd in the long run and a future 1B. Also, M. Smith has a ton of upside with his tools. And there were reports that TB was interested. A controllable pitcher that would give them a top 5 MLB staff. They want controllable talent. Complete team rebuild wouldn't constitute a Wilson Ramos signing. Didn't PECOTA pick them to finish second in the east? They are not in a total rebuild.

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12 Mar 2017 21:51:32
Chi Sox, you are right. I stand corrected. It makes sense for your team.

But, it makes no sense at all for Tampa. The Rays have struggled to generate runs for years, and those three guys have some potential.

The Rays also have plenty of SP, with Archer, Cobb, Odorizzi, Snell, Andriese, Erasmo and Honeywell on hand.

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13 Mar 2017 17:15:34
The first 3 guys you mentioned are legit. The rest are very questionable - at least for 2017. Archer is a #2 in a contending rotation. Some in the league believe that when you have a strong suit, like the Rays pitching, you should try to make that strong suit even stronger.

It's not like I see Q going to Tampa, I just think if they did end up making a push for him, this would be the return.

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03 Mar 2017 18:04:13
Royals trade: Cain, moustakas, hosmer, and mondesi
Dodgers trade: urias, Pederson, stripling

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03 Mar 2017 18:30:41
This is terrible for the Royals. They are trading their core players and only getting 3 players back. Trading them separately will get them more in return. Also I'm pretty sure i've said this before, but one thing is clear, you are not the best.

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03 Mar 2017 19:56:08
Yeah, this is really bad. This makes 0 sense for the royals. Like Batman said, they can get way more than that for those first 3, and they aren't trading mondesi. The royals will trade those first 3 at the deadline, if they are out of it and can't resign them.

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03 Mar 2017 21:13:00
How would turning three guys who are all free agents next year for two of baseball's best young players a bad deal?

If it's bad for anyone, it's the Dodgers.

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03 Mar 2017 21:46:50
I don't consider Joc Pederson one of the best young players in baseball. His MLB average is .224.

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04 Mar 2017 01:57:25
Jeez, I hate to say it, but I agree with exposfan.

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04 Mar 2017 05:41:20
Its a bad deal because if you trade everyone separately you will get triple the amount of talent back. I've said this numerous times.

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04 Mar 2017 12:31:16
There is not any combo of two of those three that brings anything close to Julio Urias. Adding in Pederson is just a bonus.

Young, controllable talent isn't going to be brought in by trading three average rental players.

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04 Mar 2017 12:33:55
Jkolti, batting average is now what determines good players?

Also, saying .224 is deceptive. He's had two full seasons and was closer to .250 with huge improvements in 2016. Most in the game consider him one of the best young players.

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04 Mar 2017 12:34:47
Red Sox Guy, I know it's hard in this day and age, but you shouldn't struggle to agree with facts. Regardless of who shares them.

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04 Mar 2017 14:10:45
You didn't present facts, expos, you presented an opinion.

You said:

How would turning three guys who are all free agents next year for two of baseball's best young players a bad deal?

If it's bad for anyone, it's the Dodgers.

A fact would be a statistic. You present an opinion, which has probably been formed based on facts.

You're welcome for the lesson.

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04 Mar 2017 16:04:00
Although, based on past experience, your opinions are often based on a specific set of facts that you use to justify your preconceived and erroneous opinion.

Consider all information, and base your opinion on the full set of facts at hand, rather than vice versa.

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04 Mar 2017 18:24:09
This is a bad trade for both teams, but if this happened, the royals win this trade. The Dodgers infield is set with A-Gon, Forsythe, Seager and Turner.

They get 1 year of Moustaukas and Hosmer who would be blocked so where would they play? Cain would be the only one that would start. Mondesi has potential, but when he's blocked by Seager and Willie Calhoun next year, how will he contribute?

Meanwhile, the Royals boost their future with Urias and Stripling to help their rotation and bullpen, and Joc Pederson is their starting CF.

The Royals win this trade, but the Dodgers would never do this. If they wanted to trade all of their players, they would be better trading them in separate deals. You get a better future when you trade one for multiple players.

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05 Mar 2017 00:11:56
Kind of like how you argued Jay Bruce was really, really good. And when I presented facts, you argued against them by cherry-picking a small handful of lesser stats to make your claim?

You remind me of every time Dan Rather lectures on journalistic integrity. It's laughable.

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05 Mar 2017 03:14:06
exposfan, you still think Mark Trumbo is a better defensive player than Jay Bruce?

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05 Mar 2017 13:28:04
Past three seasons in RF. (Past 3 seasons because it gives us a much better understanding of how they've played recently. )

Bruce: -12 DRS, -19.1 UZR, -37.9 DEF rating (an overall rating considering all defensive factors)

Trumbo: -12 DRS, -8.5 DZR, -15.5 DEF.

Not only would I suggest Trumbo is the better defender, Fangraphs would as well.

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05 Mar 2017 13:30:18
And before you go spouting your same tired nonsense of "well, Trumbo is so bad they relegated him to DH. " I'll beat you to the punch:

If Jay Bruce were on a team that had a DH, he'd play DH.

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05 Mar 2017 13:41:37
But I must say, I'm eagerly anticipating to see how you'll ignore inconvenient stats and cherry-pick useless ones to claim Bruce is better. (Because you've done it in the past)

Before you do such thing, let's heed your own lesson: "Consider all information, and base your opinion on the full set of facts at hand, rather than vice versa. "

Otherwise, you'll be guilty of your own claims: "your opinions are often based on a specific set of facts that you use to justify your preconceived and erroneous opinion. "

Now that the parameters are set, I look forward to seeing you be wrong (AGAIN) .

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05 Mar 2017 16:15:11
Those are your hand-picked stats. I've provided a counter in the past which proved my point, Nancy.

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05 Mar 2017 18:07:15
The three most widely accepted defensive metrics are cheery-picked?

Please, provide me your apology for Jay Bruce's elite defensive prowess.

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20 Mar 2017 15:36:21
Not only does this trade not make sense, but it's also unnecessary. It doesn't help either team enough that they would do this trade and these are all good, well-known players that would be hard to part with.

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02 Mar 2017 18:37:24
Let's say Price is out for the Year

Red Sox Get:
Jose Quintana SP
Melky Cabrera LF

White Sox Get:
Andrew Benintendi LF
Sam Travis 1B
Trey Ball LHP
Bobby Dalbec 3B
Tyler Hill OF

Bos gets another Top of rotation SP and LF to replace Benny while being able to keep Devers and Groome. Chi gets #1 prospect, amd 4 solid other pieces.

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02 Mar 2017 18:39:19
That is just wishful thinking. that's more than they gave up for Sale. I doubt the Red Sox would even do that.

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02 Mar 2017 18:52:16
Not true, Batman. Boston would be getting Q and a solid LF as well. It's more guys but If you say Moncada=Benny for instance, Kopech, Basabe, and Diaz > Ball, Travis, Dalbec, Hill.

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03 Mar 2017 00:23:53
The red Sox won't do that, they won't trade benintendi.

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03 Mar 2017 00:49:45
No chance we get that, sorry man.

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02 Mar 2017 15:26:54
Sox sign Luis Robert and then Draft Seth Beer next year!

Here we come!

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28 Feb 2017 16:34:54
Mets

Sign Kelly Johnson 1 year $4 million


Lineup
S 3B- Jose Reyes
S SS- Asdrubal Cabrera
R LF- Yoenis Cespedes
L 1B- Jay Bruce
S 2B- Neil Walker
L CF- Curtis Granderson
R C- Travis d'Arnaud
L RF- Michael Conforto

Bench
R C- Rene Rivera
R IF- Wilmer Flores
R IF- David Wright
R OF- Juan Lagares
L UT- Kelly Johnson

Staff
R SP- Noah Syndergaard
R SP- Jacob deGrom
R SP- Matt Harvey
L SP- Steven Matz
R SP- Robert Gsellman

Bullpen
R RP- Zach Wheeler
R RP- Fernando Salas
R RP- Hansel Robles
L RP- Josh Egdin
L RP- Jeremy Blevins
R SU- Addison Reed
R CL- Jenrys Familia

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28 Feb 2017 22:20:52
Looks like a championship caliber team to me.

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01 Mar 2017 14:33:44
Weight will probably be on the DL and probably have T. J Rivera or Brandon Nimmo on the bench instead.

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01 Mar 2017 15:20:08
Nimmo going down to AAA. Let him develop more. Rivera will probably take Wright's spot on the roster.

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02 Mar 2017 18:40:32
Looks like a championship caliber team to me LOLOLOLOLOL Are you trolling? The lineup has almost 0 power Bruce can't play 1B only good hitters are Cespedes and maybe Walker. Rotation no one can stay healthy except Thor, bullpen is very weak looking like a 80 win team max doubt starters will stay healthy.

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03 Mar 2017 00:26:00
I would say somewhere between jetjet and Mamba. I'll say 87 wins, out in either the wild card round or divisional. Their rotation can't stay healthy, familia will be out the first month at least, and that lineup is a bit weak. They aren't even the best in their division.

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23 Feb 2017 01:49:05
Happ, Alford, Zeuch, Woodman
for
Ozuna

Marlins are in need of some SP now and some prospects moving forward

Upton
for
Low level prospect

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23 Feb 2017 03:42:54
Way too much for Ozuna, Jays say no.

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26 Feb 2017 19:21:55
Too much for Ozuna.

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22 Feb 2017 19:22:44
Rest of Yankees Offseason

Trade

Tigers get Brett Gardner

Yankees get Justin Wilson

The Tigers get their everyday CF to replace Maybin while balancing out their righty heavy power hitting lineup with a speedy lefty that plays gold glove defense.

The Yankees were supposedly in on Blevins, Logan, and Romo until the end but weren't willing to meet their price tags so this gives them a cheaper alternative they are familiar with while shedding Gardner's salary and clearing the path for Clint Frazier while clearing at bats for Chris Carter to maximize his 40 HR potential until Frazier is ready.


Roster

Lineup

CF Ellsbury
SS Gregorius
C Sanchez
LF Holiday
2B Castro
DH Carter
1B Bird
RF Judge
3B Headley

Bench

C Romine
1B Austin
OF Hicks
IF Torreyes

Rotation

Tanaka
Sabathia
Pineda
Severino
Warren/Niese

Bullpen

Warren/Niese (Swingman)
Mitchell (Swingman)
Layne (Lefty Specialist)
Wilson (Middle Reliever)
Clippard (7th Inning Setup Man)
Betances (8th Inning Setup Man)
Chapman (Closer)

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22 Feb 2017 19:32:49
Holiday isn't an everyday OF anymore. Carter will platoon with Bird at 1st with Austin out but Holiday should be the teams primary DH in my opinion.

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22 Feb 2017 19:57:59
I agree with you CrazySull but Holiday played LF last year for the Cardinals when healthy. In an ideal situation he would be the teams DH but I think it's worth it to get Carter's power bat in the lineup rather than Gardner who is declining fast. Also having Carter platoon with Bird isn't ideal for Bird's development. He needs to play everyday and get consistent at bats to be groomed into their everyday first baseman of the future.

Whether you think the fit is there for the Yankees or not, do you think the trade is fair in value?

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22 Feb 2017 22:07:31
if the yankees were going to trade Gardner they would have done so already.

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23 Feb 2017 02:10:11
There are no takers for Gardner, his declining skill set, and his contract.

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23 Feb 2017 04:19:13
I don't think his contract is the problem, it just has 2 years and 26 million, if the yankees were to pay half or a bit more, someone would take him.

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23 Feb 2017 14:28:54
Your trying to make the Yankees rebuild and be a contender at the same time. It usually doesn't work. Remember the goal is to win a championship, does that look like a championship caliber team?

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24 Feb 2017 04:51:24
yes the Cardinals did play him in LF but they are an NL team so they don't have a DH and they also tried him at first. I am not saying that he can't play LF I am just saying he would be a defensive reliability and they have better options. And platooning Carter and Bird is smart because of Bird struggles against leftys you don't want him to feel bad about himself and that's when you can plug Carter into the lineup.

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21 Feb 2017 19:46:42
Pirates/WhiteSox

Pirates Get:
Jose Quintana SP
Charlie Tilson CF

White Sox Get:
Austin Meadows CF
Tyler Glasnow SP
Kevin Newman SS
Elias Diaz C

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22 Feb 2017 00:11:32
Austin Meadows goes no where, Quintana will not come to Pittsburgh unless the deal is built around Josh Bell.

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22 Feb 2017 01:19:17
That seems like a fair package for quintana, but I do not see the pirates giving that much up. I would guess that if the pirates were willing to give that up, quintana would be a bucco by now.

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22 Feb 2017 01:42:35
this is wishful thinking by a White Sox fan.

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22 Feb 2017 02:56:47
Then off to St. Louis he goes!

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22 Feb 2017 19:36:55
That is the problem with trading for star players. The price tag might be fair but is it worth giving up that much for one guy and a throw in? In my opinion no. The Red Sox got a good deal for Sale since they were able to avoid giving up a lot. I know they gave up Moncada but we still have Deverse in the minors and will do just fine in a few years. And Kopech was ok but nothing special and they traded from their outfield prospect depth since they would have no place to play with the Red Sox OF situation now. So they were able to get a good deal. But the Pirates don't have as good as a farm system as the Red Sox so it is harder for them to make trades like that.

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23 Feb 2017 02:10:59
This doesn't fill the bill for Pittsburgh.

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