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25 Jun 2016 04:42:47
Hopefully people will like this trade


Red Sox get: Gerrit Cole (RHP)



Pirates get: Henry Owens (LHP) and Yohan Moncada (2B)

This trade happens when Gerrit Cole is off the DL.

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25 Jun 2016 05:07:31
I love how everyone thinks that the Pirates are going to scrap this season and start trading their cornerstone pieces, the fact of the matter is, this is just a bridge year into 2017, when we still will have all of our position players returning, one of the best rotations in baseball, and Josh bell and Austin meadows. Anyways, don't write the Pirates out just yet, as quick as a team can fall, they can climb back up just as quick.

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25 Jun 2016 05:36:14
It would take a lot more to draw Gerrit Cole away from Pittsburgh.

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25 Jun 2016 13:01:01
This is so awful. It would take Betts, Moncada, possibly Boegarts, and that is just to start. I know you're new, but seriously do more research, because right now it doesn't look like you know much about baseball trades.

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25 Jun 2016 13:34:07
I'll at least say this is a thousand times better than your Cueto for Braun trade.

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25 Jun 2016 14:22:51
Thank you TheJerk.

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25 Jun 2016 14:26:52
How about Cole for Yohan Moncada And Mookie Betts?

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25 Jun 2016 14:38:24
^nope, there would need to be more involved than just two players going back to Pittsburgh.

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25 Jun 2016 15:44:35
Pirates asked for Betts and Boegarts just for starters. Then add filler and still probably not going to happen.

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25 Jun 2016 17:02:02
Why would Boston trade 2 young conto able players Betts aND bogart for a pitcher who currently can't stay healthy and only has 1 season of priduction. Betts may be the best hitter in baseball right now and his speed/ defence are A+. Bad trade for Boston.

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25 Jun 2016 18:08:25
Cole is not struggling to stay healthy, very few DL stints in his career. And the Red Sox would never do this trade, however it is exactly what it would take to get a young ace like Cole.

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26 Jun 2016 00:32:48
Scanner he was stating a fact, the Red Sox called the Pirates about Cole, and thy replied "Let's start with Boegaerts and Betts"

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24 Jun 2016 04:06:35
The Red Sox need some outfield help right now. Right now that Young is headed to the DL they will be stuck with either Lamire or who ever they bring up to replace him with until Holt and Swihart returns. I can think of one simple deal:

Red Sox get: J. B Shuck

White Sox get: Mid level pitching prospect

It gives the Red Sox another outfield option that has proven that he can get the job done, and can step into Lamires role once Holt and Swihart returns. And once Young comes back they could chose to move Swihart down or send Shuck down himself.

And it gives the White Sox pitching help that they desperately need.

What do you guys think?

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24 Jun 2016 07:20:37
JB Shuck is horrible.

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24 Jun 2016 15:35:24
I would rather them stick HanRam back out in left than JR Suck.

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24 Jun 2016 16:08:06
He isn't that bad and he is just a bandaid until Holt and Swihart and eventually Young return. Especially now that they just took Castillo of the 40 man roster and the only other real option they have is Bryce Bentz.

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25 Jun 2016 02:15:46
Then why not got to Brentz or LaMarre.

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25 Jun 2016 04:31:47
Because I think they would do better serving as depth than starters. Especially since they are both inexperienced at the MLB leval anyways.

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26 Jun 2016 00:14:11
Shuck isn't even hitting .200.

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24 Jun 2016 01:08:18
Detroit get: LHP CC Sabathia and LHP Andrew Miller

Yankees get: LHP Daniel Norris, RHP Mark Lowe, RHP Joe Jimenez, 3rd Base/ OF Jacoby Jones and OF Christian Stewart.

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24 Jun 2016 15:35:48
Laughable.

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26 Jun 2016 00:33:45
Way too much.

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23 Jun 2016 20:55:02
Giants receive: Ryan Braun


Brewers receive: Jake Peavy RHP and Angel Pagan LF


OR
Giants receive Ryan Braun and Brewers receive Johnny Cueto.

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23 Jun 2016 22:31:14
Is this a joke?

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23 Jun 2016 22:49:38
HAHAHHAHAHAHA.

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23 Jun 2016 22:59:52
The first trade is the worst trade I have ever seen and the second is also very bad. The Brewers want prospects not MLB veterans for Braun they are in more less rebuilding mode.

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23 Jun 2016 23:32:57
Both don't help the brewers, there trying to get prospects, the get veteran (s) in both trades, brewers say sorry, and go talk to a different team.

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24 Jun 2016 00:24:14
As a Giants fan, I fully hope the first happens.

But good grief, this has to be a joke.

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24 Jun 2016 02:29:11
The Brewers hang up laughing on that first one and the second one really doesn't make sense.

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24 Jun 2016 02:58:49
Well, thank you for the comments. I thought the Giants were interested in Braun soooooo. I might try to make a few more.

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24 Jun 2016 03:00:38
I need to work on my mlb reasearch lol. All I watch is quick pitch.

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24 Jun 2016 04:24:36
ck must stand for clueless kid.

Wow.

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24 Jun 2016 16:13:02
Why would the Giants trade outfielders that they desperately need.

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23 Jun 2016 19:08:07
Mets get: 3B Danny Valencia
Athletics get: LHP Max Wotell, SS Andres Gimenez

Just in case they don't bring in Reyes.

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23 Jun 2016 23:04:26
A's might be able to get a little more because Valencia is having a pretty good year.

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24 Jun 2016 04:25:00
Mets got to pay more for Valencia.

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22 Jun 2016 19:40:33
Brewers get: Moncada + Espinosa

Red Sox get: Jonathan Lucroy + Ryan Braun + Will Smith.

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22 Jun 2016 19:57:18
Horrible for Brewers. Yeah they get Moncada, but they can get so much more. This is just terrible.

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22 Jun 2016 20:25:26
I honestly think the Brewers could get more for this package, especially if they dealt Braun and Lucroy in separate deals.

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22 Jun 2016 21:32:03
Never seen anything so bad on this site.

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22 Jun 2016 23:36:24
Maybe for Lucroy OR Braun, but not both.

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23 Jun 2016 02:13:18
Really BuccoFan, really?

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23 Jun 2016 06:33:04
BuccoFan, your last trade idea was Kevin Pillar, Sanchez, and Storen for McCutchen and others.

That is significantly worse than this.

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23 Jun 2016 15:48:16
even if the Brewers were to trade Braun and Lucroy in the same deal they could still get more in return than this. But if they traded them separately they could get an even bigger haul.

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22 Jun 2016 08:08:39
Pretty simple Royals-Cardinals trade:

Royals get Jhonny Peralta
Cardinals get Bubba Starling and Reymond Fuentes

That let's Wong get consistent ABs again and get a possible outfield replacement with upside for Holliday when he can't move anymore. The Royals get a bandaid at 3rd with Moustakas out for the year and a possible DH next year when Morales is gone.

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23 Jun 2016 03:39:28
Cards are in the wild card race; thus, they wouldn't do this.

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23 Jun 2016 07:15:42
It's not about being sellers for the Cards though. They want Wong to play ever day at the major league level. They could use the outfield help now and in the future more than they need the slight upgrade of Peralta over Wong.

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22 Jun 2016 02:50:33
Bautista on the DL for awhile. when he comes back, he might not be too effective in the field and his fielding is already on the decline. Combine that with this being probably his last year. Jays could be looking for an outfielder.

My idea for the Jays would be to trade for Matt Kemp of the Padres. They are and have been looking to unload his contract 60+mil until 2020 I think I read.

Jays would have to unload a couple prospects- maybe Alford and Reid-Foley.

Bautista could either play first or DH when he gets back healthy. His ego would probably ask to play first. EE could do the same.

Bautista will be gone after this year and Kemp would be new Right fielder for 3 years. Not to bad.

Jays Line up

Travis
Donaldson
Bautista
EE
Saunders
Tulo
Kemp
Martin
Pillar

Best line up in baseball

What's you say kids?

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22 Jun 2016 04:46:12
Kemp is not good. He's on an absolute tear and is still a negative WAR player. Giving up top prospects for a guy who hasn't had a good season since 2012 would be stupid.

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22 Jun 2016 12:03:27
his numbers over the years show that he's consistently pretty good. Also playing in San Diego which is a pitchers park as far as I know.

Just an idea, Carrera might do ok filling in who knows? he's played pretty well all year.

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22 Jun 2016 14:58:43
First of all why would you give up top prospects for Kemp? Second of all that wouldn't be the best lineup in baseball. It falls behind Boston and The Cubs. Lastly this is pointless since Bautista isn't going to be on the DL the rest of the season. It would make some sense if he were to be out the rest of the year.

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22 Jun 2016 15:40:14
Cause those aren't highly touted prospects and When Bautista comes back ( 1 month they are saying best case) shouldn't be in the outfield.

The key point is they will need to replace him next year. Kemp fits and it won't cost them alot.

Lineup will be better than Bosox and Cubs have best team not best lineup.

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22 Jun 2016 15:49:39
I would put Bautista in the outfield long before putting Matt Kemp in the outfield.

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22 Jun 2016 17:51:50
They aren't highly touted prospects? that's funny I looked at their top 30 prospects list and guess who is number one: Alford and Reid-Foley is ranked 3rd. I would think two of the top 3 prospects in an organization would be highly touted. And last year when they were making all those trades Alford and Reid-Foley were off limits. Are you sure you're a Blue Jays fan?

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22 Jun 2016 19:01:26
Yeah I have been for 30 years. Watch every game.

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22 Jun 2016 23:11:33
You don't seem to be defending yourself on the prospects. Just defending your status as a fan of the Blue Jays. So tell me how a fan of a team for supposedly 30 years goes out and says 2 of 3 top prospects, that the team refuses to trade, aren't highly touted.

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23 Jun 2016 03:40:11
If you are a diehard Jays fan, you should know that Bautista will be out just a few weeks.

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23 Jun 2016 04:04:55
none of us can predict the future of prospects except the few can't miss guys.
I do know that the Jays traded most of their prospects that other teams actually wanted last year. They do have a few in the system that jays will want to hold on to. just what I read.
Kemp is on Fire! I'm telling you, this is a good fit. For this year and next couple.

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23 Jun 2016 06:14:56
Yep Red Sox guy. They are saying best case is 1 month right now. And when he comes back he should be DH or First because he shouldn't be in right field anymore. Did you read my first post?
You just worry about your Sox and your pitching problems.

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23 Jun 2016 06:35:12
Kemp is on fire and his WAR is still in the negatives.

You don't trade the farm for a guy who is having a good week. Not to mention a guy that is slready ridiculously expensive.

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23 Jun 2016 11:16:36
Ok Jerk. You win bud. just look at kemp's career stats and you'll see he's more consistent then you think. playing in San Diego also.

I'll be looking for some of your proposals in the future so I can do a little analysis of my own. You do make a few don't you?

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23 Jun 2016 13:22:26
I still don't feel you are fully grasping how bad you are looking as a Blue Jays fan. You are totally disregarding respected prospect rankings. Yes I get that its hard to predict long term success of these guys. But you cannot go out and say that a team's number 1 and 3 prospects aren't highly touted, especially when Alford is ranked in the top 100 prospects in all of baseball. Think for just a minute that if a team is trading prospects left and right for star players at the deadline or anytime in general and they say that a couple are players we don't want to trade. That generally means they are highly touted and will be much needed in the future. Alford for example will be needed next year when they lose Bautista and Encarnacion.

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23 Jun 2016 14:17:17
Kemp's wins above replacement the past four three seasons:
-0.4, 1.3, 0.4

The guy has been consistent, you're right about that. He is consistently below average or even below replacement level. His defense is atrocious, as his ability to get on base with anything other than a hit (which is why we see ridiculous BABIP numbers from him) .

I've looked at his stats, many times. Which is why I said he wasn't any good.

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23 Jun 2016 14:19:59
Another thing:

I do post trades. Check my history. Some have been good, some bad. The bad ones I move on from.

But based on your lack of understanding of how stats work and your thinking the Blue Jays will give up what's left of their farm for a guy like Kemp (who ISN'T GOOD), I'm not so confident in your ability to critique anyone's trades.

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23 Jun 2016 15:52:54
There was a reason the Dodgers traded Kemp from that crowded outfield. THey could have traded any of those outfielders, but Kemp was the most overrated and overpaid of them all. The Padres know they can't get what they traded to get him back.

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23 Jun 2016 18:52:00
over paid yes. but not overrated. I believe you are missing Crawford and ethier in that equation. Padres pick the guy they wanted when they went nuts that off season.
You guys are blowing this up a little.
I know Bautista is gone next year. Jays don't have a guy to replace him. Carrera might work but not an rbi guy.
Kemp is available. Not sure the price.
I can tell you on the prospect side of it for the Jays. The good ones are already up in Toronto. The ones other teams actually wanted already got traded. Alford and Reid-Foley are projects with no guarantees. Guerrero and a few other pitchers are keepers but are really green, that's why they are not #1and#3 on the board.

I'm not an expert, but do know the jays fairly well. Can you think of another guy instead of Kemp. I know us jays fans won't accept a rebuilt either so please keep that in mind.
Thanks for the discussion fella's. atleast their is feedback which is better than nothing.

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24 Jun 2016 00:27:26
Name a right fielder in baseball. There's a strong chance he's better than Matt Kemp.

That's the options you should hope for.

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24 Jun 2016 00:43:57
that is available? what do you think?
btw, with superman pillar at center field, I don't really care about Kemp's Defence.
Find me some players Jerk.

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24 Jun 2016 02:33:03
he's not saying available, he is saying in general any right fielder. Also back to the prospect thing, what list are you looking at? Check the Blue Jays top 30 on mlb, baseball prospectus, baseball america, all of these have Alford ranked 1st and Reid Foley usually in the top 5.

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24 Jun 2016 03:08:12
Think of literally any outfielder who would be available and he'd be better than Matt Kemp. Guys like Jay Bruce, Ryan Braun, Nick Markakis, Josh Reddick to name a few.

And Kevin Pillar is a great outfielder, but he doesn't make up for the deficiencies of bad outfielders. He can't cover the whole outfield.

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24 Jun 2016 16:26:12
What prospect list are you looking at?

Now I agree with you on not everyone panning out. But you seem to be making things up as you go, disregarding facts. And who's to say Vlad Jr doesn't pan out. He's only 17 and not even projected to reach the majors til 2020, lots can happen. Also I get that practically the whole Dodgers outfield was overpaid.

However Either's contract was nowhere near as bad as Kemps, and in case yo forgot The Red Sox made the mistake of giving Crawford the contract and the Dodgers were stupid enough to take it on.

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24 Jun 2016 16:55:24
One last thing I want to say is that if you put Kemp in high pressure city like Toronto has become, he will falter. That was his problem in LA and last season in San Diego. Now there is no pressure and he's doing better.

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24 Jun 2016 19:08:14
Yeah thought of guys on your list but don't think any would work.
Markakis would be ok but not really an rbi guy
Braun would be great but to expensive and not sure what they would want for him (atleast young guy like stroman, Sanchez etc)
Reddick is hurt and not sure billy wants to trade with us anymore. Jay Bruce already fell through and jays won't give up Saunders now.
Keep an eye on Alford and reid foley in the next few years.

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24 Jun 2016 21:43:16
Braun isn't much more expensive than Kemp. Kemp is owed 87M still, Braun is owed 96. The return wouldn't be much more than what you're giving up for Kemp (which is actually too good of a return for Kemp) .

Markakis doesn't get as many RBIs because he is generally at the top of the order. Besides, RBI is a stupid stat. Markakis was significantly better with RISP last year and had more opportunities than Kemp as well. For their careers as a whole, Markakis has also been better. That'll lend itself to more RBIs, if you must use them as a measuring tool.

Reddick wouldn't get the Blue Jays fleeced.

Bruce could still be an option.

Every option would be a significantly better option than Matt Kemp. If the Blue Jays wanted to, they could make each one happen.

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25 Jun 2016 03:10:13
Minnow you were just literally telling everyone that Alford and Reid-Foley weren't highly touted prospects, now you're saying keep an eye on them? Seems a bit hypocritical if you ask me.

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24 Jun 2016 22:43:27
I think we have exhausted this topic.
Bottom line, I feel jays need a guy now to replace Bautista in right field. mainly as a replacement for next year too. When he's back off DL, he can play first and DH with EE. Jays have brought up two guys from minors in the last week for Bautista already.

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25 Jun 2016 04:00:55
you two keep an eye on them to see if they pan out based on the #1and#3 bluejays prospect ranking. I see how that confused you though, wrong choice of words.

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25 Jun 2016 04:20:10
That's fine if you think the Blue Jays need to fill in/ replace Bautista.

But if you think Matt Kemp is a good right fielder, you clearly have no clue what you're talking about and should probably stop.

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25 Jun 2016 13:09:44
I still feel you have no clue what you're talking about. You are a hypocrite, its clear, you backtrack your words to make it seem like you were talking in a different way. You don't seem to care what the experts have to say about those guys, you make it up as you go. And it's stupid to replace a player when they are still on the team. You want your precious BLue Jays to replace Bautista, which they will need to do, they can do it in the offseason after its confirmed he's gone. Not when its mid season and they still have him, not when they still have a shot to sign him. Oh and if you thought this topic is exhausted, look at the discussion with bwright last week, that went on and on, for pretty much similar reasons this one has.

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25 Jun 2016 19:43:58
Batman. your just a dick!
I'm the farthest thing from a hypocrite. you make no sense. my comment about keeping an eye on them was directed at you two. I'm a jays fan-why would I suggest to get rid of two prospects that I thought were going to have a great future. I'm not an idiot. Your just one of those guys that likes to be critical of others suggestions and won't make any of your own. Another guy just like you on the nhl site.

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25 Jun 2016 20:57:36
Well, you're suggesting the Blue Jays should go trade for Matt Kemp, so let's not pretend you're always looking at what's best for Toronto.

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25 Jun 2016 21:27:50
thanks Jerk. you made that point clear. I'm ready to move on.

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25 Jun 2016 22:11:10
I made it clear in the very first post, YOU decided to argue with me.

Because of this conversation, I hope the Blue Jays trade for Matt Kemp. That would give me great comedic relief.

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26 Jun 2016 05:37:05
Yea that last comment by you just contradicted your entire argument in my opinion. The numbers 1 and 3 ranked prospects are "Not highly touted prospects who won't pan out. " Then you say watch out for them, then backtrack when you realize you proved my point. Now its "I'm fan who wants to get rid of two guys you think will be good. And I'm rather surprised that opening comment directed at me. in that last post made it through the moderators.
Jerk this is two weeks in a row with someone who can't take criticism.

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26 Jun 2016 13:28:05
At least Bwright didn't hurl names at you.

But yeah, this guy is supposedly an "adult" (been a fan for 30 years), but clearly cannot act like one. Sad.

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21 Jun 2016 17:34:40
Chris Sale trade:


Red Sox get: Chris Sale

White Sox get: Andrew Benintendi, Anderson Espinoza, Michael Kopech, Blake Swihart


Rangers get: Chris Sale

White Sox get: Joey Gallo, Jurickson Profar, Dillon Tate, Michael Matuella


Pirates get: Chris Sale

White Sox get: Tyler Glasnow, Mitch Keller, Josh Bell, Austin Meadows, Harold Ramirez.

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21 Jun 2016 18:11:53
The White Sox won't give up Sale without getting PREMIUM Major Leaguers in return.

From the Red Sox, one of Betts or Bogaerts will be required.
From the Rangers, Mazara, most likely.

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21 Jun 2016 19:54:20
That Pirates trade is literally the exact opposite of what they do.

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21 Jun 2016 20:40:03
Well the White Sox will not trade Sale. None of these trades would be close enough to get the White Sox to trade him. The Red Sox would probably have to include Moncada, Betts or Boegarts, or even both. The Rangers would have to include more and so would the Pirates.

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21 Jun 2016 20:49:30
Pirates trade is way too much.

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21 Jun 2016 21:09:10
^Too much in terms of quantity or quality.

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21 Jun 2016 21:23:02
PiratesFan, that trade wouldn't even scratch the surface of acquiring Chris Sale.

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21 Jun 2016 21:42:35
None of those deals would net Sale.

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22 Jun 2016 21:34:47
theJerk I think what PiratesFan meant was that the Pirates would never give up that much.

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23 Jun 2016 06:36:17
For Chris Sale? You wouldn't give up that much?

Don't worry, the White Sox would never consider a pathetic offer.

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21 Jun 2016 05:56:52
Rangers Get: Jonathan Lucroy

Brewers Get: Robinson Chirinos, Joey Gallo, Jurickson Profar, and Luis Ortiz.

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21 Jun 2016 14:23:00
Brewers say no.

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21 Jun 2016 14:42:14
Okay, guys, we've seen numerous proposals regarding LuCroy going to the Rangers for a package of guys. Maybe it will happen, maybe it won't. Let's move on please.

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21 Jun 2016 02:03:37
Texas: Fernando Rodney

San Diego: Josh Morgan, Andrew Faulkner and Nick Martinez.

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21 Jun 2016 03:34:02
Rodney is a bum, and it is just a matter of time before he comes back to earth.

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20 Jun 2016 22:08:46
Rockies trade: Carlos Gonzalez
Cubs trade: Jorge Soler, Duane Underwood, Oscar De La Cruz


Cubs get another bat while the Rockies get a future clean up hitter who would rake at coors Field and two young pitchers.

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21 Jun 2016 01:13:55
If people wanted to give up key assets for Jorge Soler, it would have happened this winter. Him being injured makes him even less valuable.

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21 Jun 2016 02:04:49
I agree with Jerk. The Cubs have to get him into the lineup to build up his value; then, they would have a chance to flip him for an upgrade such as CarGo.

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21 Jun 2016 02:18:55
Cubs fans have always over-valued their guys, but Jorge Soler takes the cake. That dude is insanely overrated.

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21 Jun 2016 03:36:07
I think the fever regarding Yasiel Puig and Jose Abreu a few years back caused MLB execs to over-value all Cuban players. Look at Rusney Castillo and Soler, and I think execs may show a little more caustion over the next few years.

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21 Jun 2016 06:05:43
I am a Rockies fan btw and I proposed this trade because I felt like Soler has a chance to be something special despite his struggles.

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21 Jun 2016 14:43:15
Cullen, he could yet. The guy is young.

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21 Jun 2016 14:46:41
That's fine, but you don't trade CarGo for a "chance"

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20 Jun 2016 17:42:14
Red Sox - White Sox Trade

(Assuming CWS slip further in the division and decide to make a pitcher not-named Sale available for prospects)

Red Sox Receive: Jose Quintana (LHP)

White Sox Receive: Andrew Benintendi (OF), Rafael Devers (3B), Blake Swihart (C), Trey Ball (LHP), William Jerez (LHP)

Quintana slots in as our #3 behind Price and Wright this season and we are set to go.

In the future Quintana probably becomes #2 as Wright regresses but still, Quintana is a good pitcher and wouldn't cost our entire farm like Sale would.

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20 Jun 2016 18:03:26
Actually not bad.

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20 Jun 2016 18:12:07
Or instead of Trey Ball and William Jerez, swap them both out for Eduardo Rodriguez in the deal (White Sox can get two major leaguers in Swihart and ERod and still have two top-5 prospects added into their system)

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20 Jun 2016 18:31:55
The Red Sox won't get a pitcher like Quintana without giving up one of Betts or Bogaerts plus a whole package of high-ceiling prospects.

Quintana is a top 20 pitcher in baseball and has one of the most team-friendly deals around.

The White Sox will fleece anyone who trades for him.

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20 Jun 2016 19:39:12
theJerk

That might be a stretch. Maybe Betts but Boegarts is a top SS in the game.

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20 Jun 2016 20:08:37
Jerk- just out of curiosity, what team to you cheer for?

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20 Jun 2016 21:22:37
I'm a Giants fan.

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21 Jun 2016 02:06:30
The Sox will not give up Betts or Bogaerts. They are the faces of the franchise with Ortiz set to retire and Peds getting up there in years.

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21 Jun 2016 02:19:44
I know they won't give up Betts or Bogaerts. But they also won't get a top 20 pitcher in the game without Betts or Bogaerts.

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21 Jun 2016 15:38:07
theJerk Sox are trying to improve their team not blow it up they are not going to trade their 2 best players to get pitching they can get a good starter without giving up Betts or Bogaerts.

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21 Jun 2016 16:33:36
Good grief sinko, learn some reading comprehension.

I said, the Red Sox won't trade Betts or Bogaerts, but I promise you, they will have a really, really challenging time trading for a dront-end starter without giving one of those guys up.

Either that, or you see every good prospect they have going to the other team. Any way you shape it, it will hurt the Red Sox in the end. No one is going to give them a top pitcher.

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20 Jun 2016 00:03:41
Cubs Get: Andrew Miller LHP

Yankees Get: Ian Happ 2B/ OF, Dan Vogelbach 1B Trevor Clifton RHP

Or

Nats Get: Andrew Miller LHP

Yankees Get: Drew Ward 3B Lucas Giolito RHP and Victor Robles OF.

Or

Giants Get: Andreww Miller LHP

Yankees Get:Phil Bickford RHP,
Christian Arroyo SS Sam Coonrod RHP.

Or

Texas Get: Andreww Miller LHP

Yankees Get:Joey Gallo 3B Luis Ortiz RHP Ryan Cordell OF Travis Demeritte 2B.

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20 Jun 2016 00:57:30
The Cubs are offering the worst package.
The Giants won't give up Arroyo.
The Nationals certainly won't give up Giolito.
The Rangers won't give Gallo for a reliever.

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20 Jun 2016 01:15:49
Almost all of these are massive overpays.

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20 Jun 2016 02:05:07
Miller is worth a lot but I think yankees must include Beltran in all of these deals.

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20 Jun 2016 03:14:32
I like the first one best. Giolito will not be dealt by the Nats.

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21 Jun 2016 17:28:05
One thing that Cashman cannot do is get to greedy in any deal. And start building for 2017 and 2018.

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19 Jun 2016 04:44:34
Pirates get: Tyler Chatwood and Boone Logan

Rockies get: Clay Holmes, Yuedy Garcia, and Gage Hinz


Pirates suck right now and they need help in the rotation and the middle relief. Chatwood is having a breakout year even though he is pitching in Coors as his home field. This supplies the Rockies with three young pitching prospects to help component the Rockies exceptional core of position players. Chatwood also falls into the Pirates liking of pitchers who can get ground balls at a high percentage.

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19 Jun 2016 05:56:13
The Rockies don't do this in a million years chat wood is young and works with there gameplan and these pitching prospects r not even top 10 organizational prospects.

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19 Jun 2016 16:30:48
The Bucs need help, but it should come mostly from the minors with Taillon, Kingham and Glasnow, and the fact that they could swap guys like Meadows, Bell and possibly McCutcheon for reinforcements.

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19 Jun 2016 23:06:27
Kingham is recovering from TJ, Taillon is already up, and Glasnow is waking 5 batters per 9 innings. So not much help in the minors.

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20 Jun 2016 01:13:18
The Pirates would never do this, these guys aren't top organizational prospects because the Pirates are so deep and they wouldn't waste Garcia or Holmes for a guy like Chat wood, especially with Cole, Tarpley, Taillon, Williams, Glasnow, and Kuhl as future rotation options.

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20 Jun 2016 02:20:29
So what trades exactly will the Pirates do? You aren't getting decent help in the bullpen and rotation for Erik Kratz and and a half eaten ham sandwhich. Good god man, you have to understand what it takes to get pitching now. And to be fair, what spots do any of the prospects I listed above have in the future rotation? Open your eyes man, pitching isn't cheap, and in my eyes this is a light package. Another thing, the Pirates aren't looking at Chatwood as a future piece in the rotation, they need help now, and he gives it to them. After seasons end, he's likely organizational depth or long reliever.

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20 Jun 2016 03:15:47
Hking, you get a little emotional, huh?

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20 Jun 2016 04:41:36
No, I just get pissed when people come at me saying this won't work, even though they have absolutley no logic in their argument.

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18 Jun 2016 20:44:32
Tigers get: Marcell Osuna, AJ Ramos

Marlins get: Cam Maybin, Buck Farmer, Steven Moya, Shane greene, Derek hill

Yes this is a large trade. Florida is said to be looking to move osuna and getting 3 young out fielders and one of Detroit top pitching prospecrs

Tigers promote: Daniel Norris, bring up Anthony gose to help handle rf.

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18 Jun 2016 21:35:10
I think this is an underpayment to the Marlins.

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18 Jun 2016 22:57:05
I love how he says Florida.

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19 Jun 2016 04:58:25
Not enough to Miami.

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19 Jun 2016 05:42:19
The Marlins would never do this. Their asking price for Ozuna in the offseason was high, and this is an underpayment for him and Ramos.

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18 Jun 2016 17:35:27
Cubs and Yankees

Cubs Trade
Baez
Soler

Yankees Trade
Andrew Miller
Chapman

This is not a joke.

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18 Jun 2016 18:04:08
The Yankees aren't going to trade both Miller and Chapman. If they did the return would be bigger or at least slightly bigger. Also the Cubs have said that Baez is not available. So this may not be a joke, to you, but not to me.

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18 Jun 2016 20:19:58
I don't see how thank yankees can trade miller anyway. His contract is too friendly. Chapman/ Belrtan to cubs for Solor, Edwards, Strop, Almora JR

Cubs are all in for this year got to win while your hot.

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18 Jun 2016 21:36:11
The Yanks could potentially trade both this summer, but it will be separate deals to maximize the return. I do think the Cubs could be a buyer.

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18 Jun 2016 04:37:46
Detroit gets: Ryan Madson, Rich Hill

Oakland get: Steven Moya, Buck Farmer, Shane Greene

Detroit needs to be buyers they are right there in the central and not getting any younger. They have good rotation vould use o e more need bull pen help Madson could stabilize that gap to k rod.

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18 Jun 2016 05:04:35
Buck farmer and Shane green are horrible. And I don't think the Tigers are in any position to be moving Moya with Martinez injured.

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18 Jun 2016 05:29:16
How can you say buck farmer is horrible he is young and was the center piece of the cespedis trade. Detroit needs pitching that can help now above more hitting no one can dispute this.

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18 Jun 2016 05:36:15
Ummm, no.

Buck Farmer was drafted by the Tigers and hasn't been a part of any trade.

Before you bring up "indisputable facts" make sure yours are right.

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18 Jun 2016 07:35:06
Did you mean Michael Fulmer. Even then Fulmer is worth more than those two combined.

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18 Jun 2016 13:20:33
This is a clear example of someone who doesn't follow baseball well. Fulmer was the centerpiece of the Cespedes trade. Farmer was drafted by the Tigers and to no surprise like most Tiger prospects stinks.

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18 Jun 2016 14:47:42
This is exactly the type of trade Detroit needs. A SP and a solid reliever are what they need. Moya would be a good start, and it may take more, but this is a solid proposal.

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18 Jun 2016 15:08:05
Anthony Gose would be a good one to include in the deal. Billy Beane loves reclamation projects such as him.

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18 Jun 2016 16:16:34
Crap your right it was fulmer not farmer. Either was replace farmer, these are the 2 guys the Tigers need to get.

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24 Jun 2016 01:25:59
Rich Hill is on IR with groin injury.

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25 Jun 2016 22:12:24
There's no IR in baseball.

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17 Jun 2016 19:23:23
Texas gets: lucroy, jeffress

mill gets: chirnos, gallo, tate, faulkner

texas gets one of the top catchers in the mlb to bolster their lineup and add a reliver to bolster their penn

brewers get a potential stud in gallo who is blocked in texas and two young pitching prospects to add to the farm. chirnos can handle the catching duties and maybe be flipped later on.

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18 Jun 2016 04:22:17
Plausible.

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18 Jun 2016 04:32:14
I'm kinda starting to get a little tired of seeing the same principle of Tate and Gallo for lucroy. We get it, it's on everyday.

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20 Jun 2016 14:57:18
I agree Hking, let's find some creativity.

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17 Jun 2016 19:14:10
red sox get:
gray

oakland get:
joe kelly, marrero, devers #2 prospects, kopach # 5 prospect

sox get a top of the rotation starter they need to make a deep run and can afford to unload some prospects.

oakland gets younger pieces to build around for their rebuild.

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17 Jun 2016 19:54:07
Not enough for Gray. Not anywhere close to enough.

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17 Jun 2016 20:04:31
For gray, the Red Sox will be giving up, Benintendi, Espinoza, and two more of the Red Sox top 6 prospects. Not entirely sure, but I believe gray is still in his pre arb years. So basically, a kings ransom and then some for an ace who will be back to his previous form before too long.

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17 Jun 2016 21:13:37
yah kind of bad after seeing it agian idk i think a package of devers, beintendi, kopach is a good base sox will most likely have to add since it will take a kings ransom to get a top end pitcher based on the market.

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17 Jun 2016 22:23:02
Exactly, base of Benintendi, Espinosa, Devers, and 2-3 filler prospects.

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18 Jun 2016 04:25:26
Okay, guys, let me make this clear.

Sonny Gray is not Clayton Kershaw. He is not Chris Sale. He is not Madison Bumgarner. He is not a stud No. 1 SP. Check his numbers; they've gotten worse over the last couple of seasons as teams have figured him out to some degree.

He's a good MLB starter. Nothing more.

Just because Arizona got stupid paying for Shelby Miller doesn't mean other teams will.

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18 Jun 2016 04:37:47
Red Sox Guy, the free agent pitching class is so bad next year, Rich Hill could be the best starter available, so any pitchers value increases drastically in terms of trade value, especially gray who hasn't even hit arbitration yet. And yes, Gray very much is a number one pitcher. His FIP and xFIP are a little higher than you would like, but he has still been extremely effective the past couple years.

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18 Jun 2016 05:38:35
Red Sox, no one said he was Kershaw, Sale, or Bumgarner. You have no argument so you reduce ours to absurd arguments you crafted so you could win.

Gray is still pre-arb. He's so young and has so few miles on the arm, as well as cheap and controllable.

For someone so smart, you have a really hard time figuring out that Gray's value is more in his contract status and upside than anything else.

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18 Jun 2016 05:40:32
Also, where are you getting that his numbers get worst every year? Last year was his best season and this year he has clearly been dealing with injuries.

The guy is an elite pitcher. I'm pretty sure you might be the only person who doesn't see it.

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18 Jun 2016 14:25:59
You lost me at Joe Kelly.

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18 Jun 2016 15:06:46
No, I said he is a good MLB starter. On that we agree.

I am speaking primarily of Gray's ability to miss bats, when I say his numbers have gotten worse. In 2013, he struck out 9.4 batters per 9 innings. It has went down in the last few years (7.5 and 7.3) to 7.2 this year. His K/ BB ratio has also regressed, from 3.35 to 1.96. To be clear, his ERA and most other stats have been pretty good until this year.

Gray is good. He would be a great addition to the Sox. Slotting him in between Price and Porcello would give the Sox a pretty nice front three for the season and the playoffs. I would love to get him. And, his contract and age are both big plusses, which is to what you are alluding.

However, giving up several pieces of the future (this proposal said Devers, Marrero and Kopach, plus Kelly) for Kelly is a frightening prospect. We already did that for Kimbrel; I don't want to do it again. It would have been easy to try to obtain help in the past by giving up Mookie Betts, Jackie Bradley Jr., or Xander Bogaerts. Can you imagine the Sox without those guys as our future? We gave up Anthony Rizzo too. How would he look in the lineup instead of Panda or HanRam?

Also, with his diminished ability to miss bats, Gray probably would not fare as well in Boston. There is a big difference between Fenway and O. co Coliseum. Gray, though very good, would probably not be as effective there.

No, guys, I am not trying to win anything; I am hoping the Red Sox can win several titles over the next 15 years. If they can obtain Gray for a package such as Kelly, Swihart and Benintendi, I am all for it. But if it costs us Devers and Marrero and Benintendi and Anderson Espinoza to get Gray, then I say no. Find another trade partner. Gray is good, but not worth a package that mortgages the future.

Thanks for reading. Hope this provides clarity.

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18 Jun 2016 20:50:03
Gray is one of the best young pitchers in the game.

His contract situation only sweetens it. Enjoy Julio Teheran who is more expensive and 10x worse. Even there, you have to mortgage the future.

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