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MLB Rumors April 18 2015

16 Apr 2015 20:55:56
I feel like this will happen if the Phillies trade papelbon
Phillies trade: hamels and some cash
Royals trade: Kelvin Herrera, Raul Adalberto Mondesi SS, Jorge Bonifacio OF, PTBNL
Phillies get one of the best relievers in baseball, 2 top 10 prospects and a PTBNL seems fair to me

Clark_K

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To much for a relief pitcher, even though he is a closer.

BATMAN!

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17 Apr 2015 04:36:07
"Some cash". the Royals don't have the cash for Hamels. Maybe next year if Gordon walks. but definitely not now.

Besides, why would the Phillies want Mondesi? They already have J.P. Crawford, who is probably better than Mondesi.

natedub

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17 Apr 2015 18:59:01
At natedub your right I don't think they have enough money but I do think they can get creative, and they do have Crawford but they're prospects so nothing's a guarentee plus one of them can play second when Utley retires or gets traded. Batman the papelbon thing was if the Phillies traded him to a different team like Toronto

clark_k

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17 Apr 2015 18:59:01
At natedub your right I don't think they have enough money but I do think they can get creative, and they do have Crawford but they're prospects so nothing's a guarentee plus one of them can play second when Utley retires or gets traded. Batman the papelbon thing was if the Phillies traded him to a different team like Toronto

clark_k

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18 Apr 2015 00:02:13
I'm not sure what creativity you're thinking. there's a reason the Royals receive a competitive balance pick each year. they don't have the resources to compete with the big boys when it comes to FA market and paying players.

There's absolutely zero chance the Royals can afford Hamels and keep pieces that would allow them to remain competitive, the latter being the more important aspect.

As far as Crawford and Mondesi are concerned. yes, one could play 2B. but if Mondesi is leading the package, Philly will decline. No need to take on a virtually similar player when other interested teams have pieces that can be utilized at their actual spots.

natedub

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16 Apr 2015 19:55:32
Tigers

Sign Price&Cespedes to contract extensions
Sign Rafael Soriano to a 2yr deal
release Nathan

Trade Hernan Perez and a ptbnl to the cubs for Kris Bryant to play 3rd base with Castellanos

C(Avila, McCann)
1st(Cabrera)
2nd(Kinsler)
SS (Iglesias)
3b(casellanos, Bryant)
LF(Cespedes)
CF(Gose, Davis)
RF(Martinez)
DH(V.Martinez)

Donnie12

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Obvious troll is obvious.

Highly Biased BoSox Fan

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Just awful

Garrett

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If the Tigers were unable to resign Scherzer, what makes you think the will resign they will resign Price? Cespedes isn't going to sign one either. And obviously you are serious on that trade.

BATMAN!

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Yes I'm serious on the tradex

Donnie12

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17 Apr 2015 16:10:52
So let me get this straight.

You honestly believe that Detroit will 1) actually obtain Kris Bryant in a trade, 2) they will get him for a guy like Hernan Perez, who is really, really bad. 3) A Player to be named later. (Is that PTBNL Miguel Cabrera?) and 4) and this one is the best. you are going to platoon Kris Bryant with Nick Castellanos.

Donnie, are you aware of who Kris Bryant is?

natedub

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Donnie, are you at all related to Crazysull?

BATMAN!

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18 Apr 2015 00:03:07
Batman, Crazysull hasn't been around forever. Maybe he is Crazysull.

natedub

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Thats what I was thinking after I posted it.

BATMAN!

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14 Apr 2015 01:23:13
Tigers get: Jonathan Papelbon
Phillies get: Hernan Perez, Melvin Mercedes, Bryan Holaday, Stephen Moya, 2 PTBNL


Royals get: Cole Hamels
Phillies get: Paulo Orlando, Francisco Pena, Christian Colon, John Lamb, Ryan Madson, PTBNL


Yankees get: Chase Utley
Phillies get: Jose A. Ramirez, Austin Romine, Gregorio Petit, Jacob Lindgren


Blue Jays get: Scott Feldman
Astros get: Bo Schultz, Ryan Goins, Colt Hynes


Padres get: Starlin Castro
Cubs get: Nick Vincent, Cory Spangenberg, Brandon Morrow, PTBNL

yankees27

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Too much for Paps.

Not the right match for Hamels.

Perhaps on Feldman.

Theo would think it's not enough for Castro.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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Tigers are giving up way to much for Papelbon. The Yankees don't need Utley, and I really don't think that would be a good trade for him. Refsynder will be up in a month or so. That Hamels trade is awful. Yes the Phillies need to drop their price on him, but that is just bad.

BATMAN!

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I think the tigers can get Papelbon but not for that price

Donnie12

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14 Apr 2015 15:35:40
1. I agree with those above. way too much for Papelbon.

2. What a stupid trade for Hamels. I'm sure Philly is just waiting for a 29-year-old outfielder who just got his first MLB at-bat, a pitcher who can't perform in the minors, and two 25-year-old middling prospects who are fringe roster guys. If they asked the Red Sox for a top 25 prospect, the Royals will have to buck up and give one. Mondesi is the closest they've got, but he's lower rated than a SS prospect the Phillies already have (Crawford).

3. Utley won't waive his NTC. It's pretty much a solid fact at this point.

4. Feldman has more value than that. Houston can get a bit more than what the Blue Jays would offer here.

5. The Padres will have to give up either A) Hunter Renfroe or B) a front-end pitcher in either Cashner or Tyson Ross to get Castro. If the Cubs are wanting to clear an infield logjam, why would they take Spangenberg?

natedub

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13 Apr 2015 04:34:08
Mets Acquire:
Jean Segura

Brewers Acquire:
Jon Niese
Wilmer Flores (to replace Ramirez after the year)

metsfan3

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13 Apr 2015 17:34:04
its going to Syndergaard not Niese but the more likely suitor is the cubs with potential perennial all star SS in their lineup Russell, Baez and Castro. Castro for Syndergaard Gee.

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I don't see this happening. Flores hasn't really proven anything and could just as easily wind up as a UT guy. Niese is a No. 4 or 5 SP. With Lohse, Garza, Peralta, Fiers and Nelson, he doesn't have a spot in the rotation.

The Mets, to get a good SS, will either have to trade a quality SP such as Syndergaard, or pay out the wazoo in free agency.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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12 Apr 2015 01:00:30
Pirates-Red Sox-DBacks

Pirates gets Bryce Bentz
Red Sox gets Archie Bradley
DBacks gets Gregory Polanco

44nadams

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12 Apr 2015 12:28:28
Why?

The Pirates the get absolutely screwed here. No reason whatsoever for them to make a trade like this.

natedub

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Okay boys and girls. Which one doesn't fit here?

Bryce Bentz. Archie Bradley. Gregory Polanco.

That's right, Bryce Bentz.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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The D-Backs already have too many OFs and not enough pitching. And the Pirates get shafted. Why?

LongtimeBaseballFan

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13 Apr 2015 17:07:44
Brentz** and no, no no no no no.

Two prized prospects and a guy nobody has heard of.

Mntwinsfan

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11 Apr 2015 18:49:25
(After JJ Hardy comes back)

Mets Acquire:
Jean Segura
Devin Williams

Brewers Acquire:
Jon Niese
Brian Matusz
Everth Cabrera
Zach Davies

Orioles Acquire:
Daniel Murphy
Gavin Cecchini

metsfan3

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The Mets would never do that

Garrett

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12 Apr 2015 01:10:49
The Brewers would want more young talent that they can control.

natedub

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I think you actually managed to make all three teams involved worse with this trade.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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10 Apr 2015 23:31:17
Possible Padres trades that make sense and won't cost a lot of money
Padres trade: Brandon Maurer, Odisamer Despaigne, Clint barmes
Brewers trade: Jean segura
Or
Padres trade: Rymer liriano, Odisamer despaigne, PTBNL
Cubs trade: Javier baez

Clark_K

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Definitely all suggested by bleacher report.

BATMAN!

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10 Apr 2015 23:31:14
(Month or two into the season)

Mets Acquire:
Starlin Castro

Cubs Acquire:
Jon Niese
Hunter Harvey

Orioles Acquire:
Daniel Murphy
Buddy Carlyle

metsfan3

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11 Apr 2015 07:30:48
Cubs can get way more for Castro.

And the Orioles are getting a rental for a really good young pitcher? They'll pass.

natedub

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10 Apr 2015 17:52:30
Possible shortstops for the Padres and the trade it would likely take:

Padres: Tulo
Rockies: Cashner, Myers, Renfroe, Hedges

(Talk about robbing Peter to pay Paul)

Padres: Starlin Castro +5M
Cubs get: Cashner, Renfroe, Maurer

Padres: Elvis Andrus +10M
Rangers: Renfroe, Despaigne, Maurer

Padres: Ian Desmond
Nationals: Gyorko, Quackenbush, Hedges

Padres: Jean Segura
Brewers: Renfroe, Despaigne

Padres: Jose Ramirez
Indians: Despaigne, Spangenberg.

(I don't see the Indians and Padres matching up for a trade. without the Padres giving up a stupid package for a middle of the pack SS, there's not much they can do for Ramirez)

Less sexy moves that won't cost them serious packages:

Ryan Flaherty (BAL)
Joaquin Arias (SF)
Brad Miller or Chris Taylor (SEA)
Austin Romine (DET)

Clearly none of the last 4 are upgrades.

Honestly, I don't see how a quality upgrade occurs at SS for the Padres without them giving up a top prospect or worse, a top MLB piece or without the Padres taking on a contract that will handcuff them for the long-haul.

My guess: They'll find someone that's just slightly better than Barmes & Amarista and just make a play at Desmond in the offseason.

natedub

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I can't see them trading Cashner, and right now I can't see them trading Despaigne.

Out of all of these, I see Desmond and Segura as the most likely options. Desmond being a free agent and with them having Escobar, Uggla, and Espinosa. they have middle infield depth once Rendon returns.

Segura makes sense because they got Sardinas this offseason.

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10 Apr 2015 20:01:34
If they don't trade Despaigne or Cashner, I'm guessing they'll have to give up a key prospect in any deal for a noticeable upgrade.

Also, Tyson Ross could be interchangeable with Cashner.

The Desmond trade was probably the most generous package I gave to the Padres. I doubt He'll come that cheap.

I just don't see many upgrades that would serve as major upgrades and not hurt the Padres in other areas.

natedub

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That's a pretty lousy trade for Beltre.

Highly Biased BoSox Fan

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Cashner is going to be a free agent at the end of the season, and has been more injury prone.

Ross is much more untouchable.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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11 Apr 2015 07:27:13
Cashner isn't a FA until 2017.

natedub

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11 Apr 2015 07:28:03
BoSox, where did I mention Beltre trade in the above post?

natedub

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My bad on Cashner.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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Andrew Romine is on the tigers and Austin Romine is on the yankees

Donnie12

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14 Apr 2015 13:36:30
I thought that might be the case. Thanks for the correction, Donnie.

natedub

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Ross and Cashner are still relatively young and I doubt that either one of them gets traded for a SS. Ross even more unlikely after getting the 2 spot in the rotation and being an all star last season.
I like the desmond or Segura options best however I don't think it would be renfroe with segura, probably more so liriano and another

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10 Apr 2015 15:07:33
Texas Trades
Chirinos
Rua

Toronto Trades
DNavarro
Tolleson

This is a Trade Proposal I would do when Saunders and Izturis get off the DL then send Pompey and one of Hendriks, Redmond or Hynes back to AAA.
DNavarro deserves to be a #1 Catcher and Chirinos is better suited as a backup, Tolleson gives Texas a Vet backup on the Infield and can play 2b, SS, or 3b, Rua platoons with Saunders and can Play Centre if needed as well, and Pillar can Play everyday in Centre which I believe is a smart move as he can flatout hit.

Thoughts?

Pinball

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10 Apr 2015 17:06:08
Navarro isn't much of an upgrade over Chirinos. and I'm not really sure Texas needs an upgrade over Chirinos. He had a 2.4 WAR last year and is a solid defensive catcher.

natedub

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Why would Texas do that? Chirinos is better than Navarro, and has more team control.

Highly Biased BoSox Fan

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Why would they send Pompey down? Has the potential to challenge for ROY

JaysFan

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09 Apr 2015 20:33:37
Keeping in mind that Texas is in a retooling mode this year after the injury to Darvish, the Rangers need to deal a couple veterans to bring back some young talent, specifically pitching talent. Here's a couple of deals that might benefit Texas.

Rangers trade 3B Adrian Beltre and SP Colby Lewis to the LA Dodgers for 3B Juan Uribe, pitching prospect Jose DeLeon, and SP prospect Zach Lee. Uribe is a free agent, so the Rangers let him go after the year or trade him to a contender who needs help at 3B, while Lee joins the rotation next year with Darvish and Holland. The Dodgers get a legit power-hitting 3B for a playoff run, and Lewis gives the rotation depth. LA also would keep top pitching prospect Juilio Urias.

Texas also trades SS Elvis Andrus to San Diego in exchange for RP Brandon Maurer, pitcher Odrisamer Despaigne, and SS prospect Jose Rondon. The move gives San Diego its full-time SS and a leadoff hitter. The Rangers get a couple of bona fide MLB pitchers plus a MI prospect, and also get salary relief from Andrus' contract to perhaps make a bid for a SP this winter such as Johnny Cueto or David Price.

Guys such as Choo and Fielder would be harder to move given their contracts and declining production, but if the Rangers could do it, it would be wise.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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09 Apr 2015 23:37:32
Never in a million years would Texas trade all those pieces and not collect any of the other teams' top prospects.

San Diego would have to give up Renfroe, and maybe even Spangenberg.

LA would have to give Urias.

Why would Texas "retool" if they don't get anyone that they can rebuild around?

Despaigne? There's a reason the Padres went and signed Brandon Morrow. if Despaigne had tons of value, he'd be the #5 guy.

natedub

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Beltre is 36. He doesn't have a lot left in the tank. Getting a young SP (such as Lee) for him would be sufficient.

As for Andrus, he has a big contract and is generally considered overrated. I never said Despaigne had tons of value, but he did okay last year with the Padres. Maurer has a lively arm too.

Texas needs to send off a few contracts, because they've fallen quickly, and probably can't get up.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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10 Apr 2015 17:17:42
You're probably right about Beltre. I forgot he was that old. But if he's got enough to produce a trade, why wouldn't Texas ask for something extremely advantageous?

I just don't see LA being a landing spot for Beltre. they seem to be alright with Uribe and could eventually use Guerrero or Olivera there.

Andrus could haul in a top 25 prospect. He's that young and has the talent to elevate a team, especially a team like San Diego.

My projection for each guy:

San Diego gets: Elvis Andrus + $10M

Texas gets: Austin Renfroe, Odrisamer Despaigne, Brandon Maurer.

But, as always, and Gpack17 will disagree, the Padres don't have the cash to pull of a trade like this. even with $10M coming their way


For Beltre, I'll project he goes to the Indians. I'm not sure they'll like Chisenhall at third long term and Santana seems to be a better fit at first than third.

Cleveland gets: Adrian Beltre.
Texas gets: Jose Ramirez (opens a spot for Lindor) and Zach McAlister.

natedub

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@natedub, I don't disagree with the fact that they don't have the money to do it. I don't think they would pull off a trade like this with a guy like Andrus who has a longgg contract. I can see paying a guy like Desmond who is in the last year of his contract regardless of what the price is.

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10 Apr 2015 20:05:27
You'd give up a serious overhaul for a year's rental of Desmond?

Look, it's been interesting to see what Preller is doing. and he's certainly going for it all in 2015. but he loses Upton (the Mark Wahlberg Upton, not Donnie). if he made this trade, he loses Desmond, he loses Kennedy. Cashner and Ross only get more expensive. Shields gets more expensive. The Padres only get $3M on Kemp's contract instead of $18. Myers gets more expensive.

If you're a Padres fan, you have to be somewhat concerned that your GM is pretty much pooping away the future for one chance at winning it all. better hope it turns out well, or the Padres' future is pretty much shot.

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08 Apr 2015 15:45:36
Detroit tigers trades and fa signings

The only fas that was victor Martinez 4yrs/68m

Then the trades there were a lot of trades so we got Alfredo Simon for Suarez and Crawford and then we got Shane Greene for Robby Ray and A minor then we got Gose for Travis then the Big trade that happened was yoenis Cespedes and Alex Wilson and a minor named Gabe for Rick Porcello

Donnie12

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Ok is there a point to this?

Garrett

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Yes there is I think with the moves that the Tigers have done they can win it all

Donnie12

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The Tigers are actually weaker this year than last. Good luck with that.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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Not with that bullpen.

BATMAN!

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08 Apr 2015 21:05:24
I don't know if I can say they weaker. Cespedes is an upgrade (although I would never have given up Porcello for him). Plus, they have Iglesias back.

However, they made zero improvements on their bullpen.

natedub

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And the rotation is weak past the first three slots, with little depth in sight.

Overall, I think weaker. Time will tell.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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What r u guys talking about all the tigers need to do is sign Rafael soriano then the tigers bullpen will be great the bullpen will have Soriano,Chamberlain,Soria,
Gozelanny,Nesbitt,Albuquerque that's a bullpen for u

Donnie12

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09 Apr 2015 17:03:10
Donnie. so Soriano will walk in and all the other bullpen guys will suddenly become amazing? Yeah, not buying it.

natedub

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They are not a bad team at all, keep in mind they got iglesias back, so they actually have a shortstop now. Gose looked pretty good last night. Cespedes is a huge upgrade for them. Really they lost Scherzer and Porcello and that's it for the most part. Anytime you have a team with Cabrera, JD and Victor, Kinsler, Cespedes, and Price, your are going to win games.

Gpack17

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Thank u Gpack17 for Backing me up I know that the tigers are a great team I'm a tigers fan and I think the need to get Soriano

Donnie12

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A great team? No. How many World Series titles have they won in the last 6-7 years?

Are they a good team? Yes. They'll do well this year.

Are they weaker than last year? I think so. Beyond Price and Sanchez, the rotation is a big question mark. And, the bullpen is among the weakest in baseball. Plus, the team is beginning to get old. I think in three years the Tigers may be the AL version of the Phillies.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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K LongtimeBaseballFan in the next 3 yrs I don't c the tigers even being a version of the Phillis and the tigers Have a great time and also they have some good young players in the Minors like Magglio JR Derek Hill whit mayberry, Artie Lewicki Joey Pankake, Spencer Turnbull do u get what I'm saying

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I get what you're saying, Donnie. You are blinded by homerism. When was the last Detroit hitter that panned out for them? Avisail Garcia? Traded to White Sox and very average. Nick Castellanos? Meh. Anyone else?

They have Verlander and Miggy and VMart, which take up a huge portion of the payroll. Price will leave as a free agent. What's the plan then?

90 wins this year, and a likely playoff flame-out. Again.

Look at the two teams in the World Series last year. Deep, great bullpens. Now look at your team and tell me you like what you see.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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What the hell r u talking about LongtimeBaseballFan if u know the tigers like I do then u know were I'm coming from. The tigers have a Awesome team need one or two more pieces in the bullpen that's it

Donnie12

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Donnie, good luck with that.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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09 Apr 2015 23:41:09
Verlander, Martinez, Kinsler, Cabrera, Sanchez. all signed to huge contracts through 2017 or later. none of them are getting younger.

The AL version the Phillies. no doubt.

natedub

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Joba isn't a very good pitcher, flamed out in New York, did terrible the second half of last year. Soriano seemed to have lost it at the end of the year. Just because they hypothetically sign one guy doesn't mean the rest of the guys would do much better as LBF stated. They are a good team, but older. Their rotation isn't as good as once was. Verlander is not what he use to be. Who knows how Greene will do in his second year and Simon I really don't know about him. Cespedes and Price are free agents at the end of the Year. Price will definitely test the market. Cespedes may also. And Great would imply they have won the World Series in the past, as LBF said also. And Donnie, I can see the Tigers being the Phillies 3 or 4 years from now. They are getting older, they DON'T have a great farm system at all its in the bottom of most/all rankings, as they have traded what few prospects they have to win now, with the exception of a few. Sounds exactly like what the Phillies have done.

BATMAN!

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The Tigers are a great team don't u c they set the Al record with the most scoreless innings with 24 They have a awesome rotation and they have great defense They aren't even close to being the AL version of the Phillies

Donnie12

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1. Price, Sanchez. then who? Verlander is not as good as he use to be.
2. Aging players.
3. They have big contracts.
4. Little to nothing in the farm system.
5. Bullpen not good.
Exactly like the Phillies downhill fall a few years back. They trade what they had to win now. Its not coming back to bite them yet, but it will.
They aren't a bad team, no one is disagreeing with you on that.

BATMAN!

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10 Apr 2015 17:31:49
Donnie, your being a fan is blinding you from what we are trying to say.

The reason they are getting close to being the Phillies is this:

In 2017, the following Tigers will be owed the following money, and I'll put their age next to the total:

Cabrera- $28M (35)
Verlander- $28M (35)
VMart- $18M (39)
Sanchez- $16.8M (34)
Kinsler- $11M (36)
+6M being paid to Texas for Prince Fielder.

They'll owe $107.8 million to 5 players aged 34 or older and one player on another team.

Keep in mind, they're 2015 payroll is around $170M. so you're looking at 63% of your payroll being swept up by 5 guys. and you still haven't touched the arbitration contracts of JD Martinez, Jose Iglesias, Nick Castellanos. and you haven't considered that they'll have limited money to work with to sign free agents and stay under the luxury cap.

The point is this: IF YOU READ NOTHING ELSE, READ THIS:

The reason they are the Phillies is because they have contracts out to really old players for several years. Any injuries or decline in talent only makes them worse. They'll have a beast of time trading off VMart when he can't play anymore. Think Ryan Howard's situation in Philly. Heck, that's probably Verlander for Detroit at this point.

Detroit will be far better, record wise, than the Phillies. but they are a year or two away from being in the same spot.

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08 Apr 2015 15:21:26
Phillies Trade
Paplebon

Blue Jays Trade
DNavarro
TRedmond
DJ Davis

3 for 1 Trade that clears $7,475.000 off this Years Salary and $13,000.000 next Season for Philly, DJ Davis is the future Centrefielder for Philadelphia and that's what they are looking for in there rebuild.

Jays get there Closer without giving away the farm just Salary which you will have to shellout if you want a true Closer for the 9th inning.

Thoughts?

Pinball

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08 Apr 2015 21:09:37
So a high quality reliever for a backup catcher they don't need, a mediocre reliever and a "Centerfielder of the Future" who has hit a career .228 in 3 years in the minors.

Based on the way you spelled Centerfielder, it's obvious you're a Blue Jays fan. although, based on these moronic trades, it was already evident.

The Phillies saw what the Braves just got for Kimbrel. they certainly won't settle for the remnants at the bottom of a trash can.

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So Paplebon at his age and declining as a Top Closer is in the same class as Kimbrel now.
It doesn't matter what I think or anyone else on here thinks, MLB is a business and winning is the obvious choice for keeping your business in a profit, right now Paplebon isn't going to sell or decline any "business" for Philly and he is going to cost $26,000.000 for the next 2yrs, I agree DNavarro, Redmond and DJ Davis even together are not worth Paplebon, my point is this is a financial Trade with the possibility that DJ Davis becomes a MLB Player in the future, so some people need to understand not all Trades that happen are not based on Talent, there is the business side to MLB

Pinball

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09 Apr 2015 17:06:15
DJ Davis will not become a future CF. He's a fringe 25-roster man. and that's a stretch. If he's hitting .228 with minor league pitching, what suggests he'll get it together in the majors?

And even in the sense of financial trades, players still have value.

If I have two lamborghinis I have to get rid of them, I'm not going to trade them for a couple ham sandwiches. I could probably get a nice Pontiac Solstice or something. Shed payroll AND gain something strong in return.

If it was just about shedding payroll, the Phillies would have traded Hamels long ago.

natedub

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Cole Hamels will be Traded for less his value to, its about shedding payroll more then you believe or want to believe, and sorry you don't Trade a 26yr old Kimbel for that package either unless its about salary.
Lets just wait and see when Philly Trades Paplebon as well as Hamel and maybe orthers and what Philly gets in return.

Pinball

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Closers are vastly overrated.

And, if the Braves are rebuilding, why spend that much on a closer anyway?

The Braves made out like bandits on this trade, but the Padres did well too, since they want to contend now.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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09 Apr 2015 23:42:47
Pinball,

Hamels might not get the value the Phillies are expecting. and neither will Papelbon. but you're thinking the Blue Jays will get a steak for a snack-pack in a trade. it's not happening.

natedub

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08 Apr 2015 01:52:58
Padres get: Starlin Castro
Cubs get: Nick Vincent, Rymer Liriano

Tigers get: Vinnie Pestano
Angels get: Hernan Perez


Yankees get: John Lackey
Cardinals get: Austin Romine, Jose A. Ramirez, Adam Warren, PTBNL


Red Sox get: Cole Hamels, Jonathan Papelbon
Phillies get: Allen Craig, Heath Hembree, Travis Shaw, Garin Cecchini, PTBNL

yankees27

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08 Apr 2015 09:24:26
1. Padres don't have the cash to make that trade.

2. The Pestano trade isn't bad.

3. Why would the Cards trade Lackey? He's a decent pitcher and only costs them $500K.

4. No way on earth the Phillies accept that deal. It's not enough to get Hamels, and definitely not Hamels + Pap.

natedub

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I don't understand why natedub insists on the Padres never having enough money. If this offseason hasn't shown anything yet. You said the same thing a couple of weeks ago and then they got BJ and Kimbrel.

Gpack17

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I agree with Nate on each assessment.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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09 Apr 2015 23:45:26
Gpack, with each passing trade, the Padres are wasting cash.

Clearly, they are helped by only having to pay Kemp $3M this year. next year, when that goes up to $18. plus Bossman Junior Upton, plus all the other pieces. THE PADRES WILL NOT HAVE THE CASH. I promise.

If they aren't contending by June, most of the recent acquisitions will be gone anyway.

natedub

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I agree, but they also have set themselves up in a position to be able to get rid of them as well.

Gpack17

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07 Apr 2015 18:13:57
Aj Preller is not done dealing yet. He is rumored to be "scouring" the market for a SS. Who could be options? Starlin maybe? With Baez originally being a SS and Russell on the verge of coming to the bigs, could they go after him?
Also, Cory Spangenberg is a lefty with speed who Bud Black likes. He also made the opening day roster which is suprising.
Jedd Gyorko, Rymer Liriano, Nick Vincent for Starlin Castro.
Solarte and Spanenberg can play 2nd with Castro at SS.
Cubs get a starting 2B, quality OF who can be an everyday guy and is still young, and a solid 7/8th inning reliever.

Gpack17

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07 Apr 2015 19:25:36
Where is all this money coming from for the Padres? They just signed a $15M/year bench guy who has zero value (Melvin Upton). Kemp is going to cost them $18M/year next year. Kimbrel ain't cheap. Shields is more expensive.

Besides, I don't think the Cubs will move Castro until Russell is for sure ready. He'll come up and get moderate playing time and make sure he's able to hold the position before they sell all the leftovers. It won't be til mid-season for a trade.

Better (and cheaper) possibilities: Desmond, Jonathan Villar or Marwin Gonzalez from Houston, Chris Taylor or Brad Miller from Seattle, any of Minnesota's thousand shortstops.

Or Trea Turner. oh wait.

natedub

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Well, trea turner is still another year or 2 away and many weren't that high on him anyway. The new ownership is showing a willingness to spend money thinking that a new tv deal and hosting the all star game will bring them more money. Also, bringing in the big names, people will actually attend games unlike before.
I would be perfectly happy with desmond, however, the cubs would get an extra year of russell after I believe april 17th, so why not wait until then? bring up bryant and russell at once and play the new infield.

Gpack17

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I don't see the Padres trading for Castro at all. He has an incredibly team friendly deal and they would not want Gyorko in return. I see the Cubs keeping Castro because of the possibility of Baez being a bust and them using Russell at second or moving Castro there. I could see the Padres getting Andrus from the Rangers though.

Garrett

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08 Apr 2015 09:26:23
Padres fans are getting a million miles of this Buster Olney opinion of Russell being ready now.

Is he ready? Possibly. Would I trade Castro now? Absolutely not.

Besides, who's to say I can't transition one of the two to 2B?

And you still haven't answered the question of being able to afford Castro.

natedub

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08 Apr 2015 09:53:09
I'll apologize now. I skimmed your last post, Gpack and didn't see you answer the finances. well, you kind of answered them.

I guess the question is: how much revenue will all that actually generate? Many teams have hosted the all-star game, that didn't free up millions upon millions of dollars to lavishly spend on players.

The Padres have had free cash for a while, as Preller came in with a different philosophy. but how far will he take it?

The Padres owe $68M to Kemp, M. Upton, Kimbrel and Shields through 2017. that's a lot. Even if they expand their payroll by 20% next year (which would be a rather large increase), those 4 take up fifty percent of that. Add in Castro, they take up nearly 55-60 percent. 20% of your roster taking up over half the payroll. And three of those players are Melvin Upton (not going to do anything in SD), Kemp (injury prone and living on one MVP-esque season) and Shields, who isn't getting any younger. And those are the three biggest contracts.

And we haven't touched the arb-eligible guys yet.

One has to look and think, how much further can Preller take this. I'm not sure he can do much more than he's got now. not at this point. Win some games, maybe that'll generate a little bit more cash.

But this last trade certainly made Hamels impossible. and it made any major acquisition that much harder. especially since they don't have any bad contracts to move to balance the scales now that Maybin and Quentin are gone.

natedub

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Nate, I like your points about the cash. The Padres have made some nice moves, but still have some holes. I don't think anyone can say right now San Diego is as good as Washington, St. Louis and perhaps L.A.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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09 Apr 2015 01:03:46
Hi yeah how exactly is Kemp injury prone? He was completely healthy the second half of last year and practically carried the dodgers offense and the MVP year you're talking about he is the real MVP Braun cheated therefore it should go to Kemp

clark_k

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09 Apr 2015 17:11:01
7 DL stints in 8 seasons. His injury sheet on Baseball Prospectus is actually really long.

natedub

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Kemp is overrated. Period.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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Clearly overrated based off of his stats right?

Gpack17

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10 Apr 2015 20:21:12
Since 2012, Kemp has a 4.0 WAR. 4.0 in 3 years. in that time, he made $51M.

Most stat folks agree that 1.0 WAR generally costs around $4.5 to 5M. we'll go $4.75.

Now, Kemp was hurt for half of 2013, so I'll cut half out. so he's at 3.7 over 2.5 years and $41M. that's 5 wins under his value. meaning he's been overpaid by about $23M the past three years. or one years salary.

Aren't numbers fun? They sure tell you way more than the eye test.

Kemp is extremely overrated. One of the most overrated in baseball. There's a reason LA got rid of him.

natedub

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07 Apr 2015 14:33:51
Philadelphia Trades
Paplebon

Toronto Trades
DNavarro
TRedmond

Thoughts?

Pinball

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07 Apr 2015 19:37:25
Papelbon has significantly more value than that.

natedub

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Paplebon has more Trade Value?
So did Kimbrel and Upton so we all thought.
Philly wants to dump Paplebon and DNavarro isn't a bad Catcher at all and Redmond is there 5th Starter.
Any other Team would want Philly to take Salary, not in this deal

Pinball

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08 Apr 2015 00:57:24
No. you're right Pinball.

Everyone is going to give up a guy like Papelbon for a mediocre reliever and a catcher that no one seems to want. at all.

natedub

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07 Apr 2015 01:30:36
here are the padres big trades from the offseason/preseason that changed the team ALOT

- PADRES & ATHLETICS
PADRES GET:
SP S. STREICH
C D. NORRIS

A'S GETS:
SP J. HAHN
SP R. ALVAREZ

- PADRES & DODGERS
PADRES GETS:
C T. FEDEROWICZ
OF M. KEMP & CASH

DODGERS GETS:
SP J. WIELAND
SP Z. EFLIN
C Y. GRANDAL

- PADRES & BRAVES
PADRES GETS:
SP A. NORTHCRAFT
OF J. UPTON

BRAVES GETS:
SP M. FRIED
IF J. PETERSON
3B D. PETERSON
OF M. SMITH

- PADRES & RAYS
PADRES GETS:
SP J. CASTILLO
SP G. REYES
C R. HANIGAN
OF W. MYERS

RAYS GETS:
SP B. SMITH
C R. RIVERA
IF J. BAUERS

- PADRES & RED SOX
PADRES GETS:
3B W. MIDDLEBROOKS

REDSOX GETS:
C R. HANIGAN

- PADRES & BRAVES
PADRES GETS:
RP C. KIMBREL
OF M. UPTON

BRAVES GETS:
SP M. WISLER
OF C. MAYBIN
OF C. QUENTIN
OF J. PAROUBECK
COMP DRAFT PICK
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obviously there were other trades but these 5 were the ones that skyrocketed the padres to contenders. they ended the season as a top 5 draft pick contenders with a good bullpen. they needed an ace (got that with shields), a proven closer (got that with kimbrel), talented hitters (got that with kemp, upton and myers)

they should be able to get a wildcard seed cause I don't see them beating the dodgers so that means its them vs giants to get the wildcard and I think the padres will win that cause they got kimbrel

when I heard kimbrel was traded, I was hoping the tigers got him cause there was a report that the tigers are soon to aquire a reliever, I was amazed to find out the tigers didn't get him (lol) but the padres did. yet again they traded for a key piece that helps the team and the upton brothers re-unite again

with the 2 trades with the braves, this is how it would look like if they were put together:

PADRES GETS:
SP A. NORTHCRAFT
RP C. KIMBREL
OF M. UPTON
OF J. UPTON

BRAVES GETS:
SP M. WISLER
OF C. MAYBIN
OF C. QUENTIN (designated right away)
OF J. PAROUBECK
COMP DRAFT PICK
SP M. FRIED
IF J. PETERSON
3B D. PETERSON
OF M. SMITH

well I don't know who won this, right now its the padres but in the future it could be the braves as they get key young players (wisler, fried, Peterson, Peterson and smith) along with a vet that still can produce (maybin)
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I still think the braves could've got more in return for kimbrel if they waited till the trade deadline when teams are looking for a key reliever to help get the title (SHOULDVE BEEN THE TIGERS DANG IT)

cookie24

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Okay, you obviously spent a great deal of time on this, but I have to ask: What is your point?

LongtimeBaseballFan

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Also, the padres weren't top 5 draft pick contenders last season. They ended in 3rd in the NL west behind the dodgers who had one of the best records in baseball and the giants who won the world series. that's not too bad for a team who had great pitching but one of the worst hitting teams in baseball. Add all of these bats and upgrade the pitching a little bit and they won't finish in 3rd this year.

Gpack17

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08 Apr 2015 07:52:31
Winners of each trade:

Hahn-Norris: I'm going with Oakland in receiving Hahn. I don't think Norris was all that much of an upgrade over what they had originally with Rivera. Hahn could be really good.

Kemp trade: Dodgers. Cleared tons of salary. got Eflin, which got them a good leader in Rollins. There's just so much to Kemp that should make most teams afraid to touch his contract. If other teams were willing, they'd have traded for him long ago.

Upton trade: Braves. Hands down. To get a guy like Max Fried and give up a year of Upton. that's a great addition for a club punting on 2015 and 2016.

Myers trade: probably the only trade the Padres won. They got a cost-controlled piece in Myers.

Middlebrooks trade: Red Sox. The only side that got a remotely useful player in the trade was Boston. Middlebrooks is bad.

Kimbrel trade: Braves. Hands down. To get rid of that contract AND Melvin Upton's contract. and get an unbelievable restarter pack in return that includes a guy like Wisler. all for a closer. that they already had.


But hey, at least it's been fun seeing what they'll do next. even if it doesn't really help the club in the long run.

natedub

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06 Apr 2015 06:29:44
Did I read this right? Kimbrel and Upton to the Padres for maybin Quentin Wisler paroubek and pick 41?
What the hell are the braves doing? If you're going to trade the best closer get a better deal. I feel bad for Simmons and Freeman

Clark_K

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I agree and this deal also make the nick Markakis signing even more pointless.

Garrett

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I thought this was a great trade for the Braves. Whisker is great, and the amount of salary relief they received in his trade is significant. If anything, the Padres made the mistake, essentially paying 56MM, the #41 prospect, a decent lotto ticket, and and a relatively high draft pick for an incremental upgrade. They could've spent those assets on more valuable things.

Highly Biased BoSox Fan

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06 Apr 2015 15:32:53
I completely agree with BoSox.

I'm not sure I'd give up a top 50 prospect for a closer and to take on $50+ million in salary.

But then again, I find closers to be the most overrated commodity in all of baseball. Maybe in all of sports.

natedub

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06 Apr 2015 17:16:13
The assets they got can be good. But earlier you sign markakis, which makes zero sense, and if you think closers are overrated I get it but kimbrel has proved year in and year out that he's the best dang closer in MLB. What other guy can save 35-45 games and have a era under 2? All I'm saying is this team will be worse than the 100 loss astros

clark_k

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They have already DFA'd Quinten

BATMAN!

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07 Apr 2015 03:02:35
The only reason Craig Kimbrel gets 40+ saves a year is because he gets that many opportunities.

He had 51 Save Opportunities last year. (He wasn't going to get that in Atlanta this year).

For one, he had zero part in creating those save opportunities. zero.

Second, you can't tell me that others wouldn't be so successful. With equal opportunities, there's a handful of players that would be that solid. and that's just closers. Melancon, Street, Holland, Britton, Chapman (and one could argue that all of them are better than Kimbrel), McGee, Casilla, Cody Allen. give them the opportunities Kimbrel gets, they could easily put up his numbers. So I wouldn't venture to say Kimbrel is wayyy better than his peers.

natedub

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08 Apr 2015 05:03:42
Another thought: saves are arbitrary. Why is it 3 runs? Why not 4? Is a three run lead against Minnesota not more secure than a 4 run lead against Detroit?

Also, who says the toughest outs are in 9th inning? If the 4-3-4 are up in the 7th, don't you want your best reliever there rather than in the 9th where you have easier ABs?

natedub

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05 Apr 2015 02:39:28
PHI: Vidal Nuno
ARI: Ben Revere

Boy Howdie

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'Zona has too many OFs and not enough pitching already.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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04 Apr 2015 18:21:25
I think that the Marlins need to make one more move and they should sign Doumit so he can be an extra outfeilder and catcher as well and become the DH when they are in interleague play as well and that last reason the biggest reason why they should sign him

Crazysull

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Doumit is dreadful and has no place on a major league roster.

Highly Biased BoSox Fan

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He isn't awful and I didn't say he was good either but he would fit in fine as a backup with them

Crazysull

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Doumit blows. He's done.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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Marlins have an extra outfielder in Ichiro and a backup catcher in Mathis.

BATMAN!

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05 Apr 2015 05:18:53
Doumits defense and offense could barely land him a contract with the Sugarland Skeeters.

Mntwinsfan

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04 Apr 2015 17:03:06
Mets Acquire:
Jonathan Papelbon
$10 Million

Phillies Acquire:
Gavin Cecchini

metsfan3

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Why? They have Mejia and Familia and Parnell.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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05 Apr 2015 13:31:14
If the Phillies are going to give up Papelbon AND pitch in $10M, they will expect a little bit more in return.

natedub

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04 Apr 2015 03:21:20
This Santana issue puts the Twins in a bind, I think this deal makes the most sence.

Sign Jhoulys Chacin

This makes the most sence because he can come in and fill the hole left by Santana given that they have the same pitching style

Crazysull

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Come on Sull, Chacin would fill a hole at all for the Twins. He was horrible in Rockies camp and was released. It would just put the Twins in an even worse spot.

BATMAN!

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^I meant to say wouldn't fill anything for the Twins.

BATMAN!

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I will actually agree with Sull on this. The Twins would actually have very little to lose.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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The Twins aren't anywhere near contention, so I think they either see what they have with May or Meyer or pitch Pelfrey to drive up his trade value.

Highly Biased BoSox Fan

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Chacin is still young. The team could let him pitch, then keep him or deal him.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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05 Apr 2015 05:21:27
That's exactly what we need. Jhoulys Chacin is our answer. We already have bad reputations on our rotation, we don't need another.

MNTwinsfan

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Signing Chacin to a low-risk contract makes much more sense than signing a bum such as Ricky Nolasco or Mike Pelfry to a big deal, which the Twins have done. The Twins may have the worst pitching in MLB. You're not going to contend this year, so give guys such as Meyer a shot; signing Chacin for one year and half a mil would be smart.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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06 Apr 2015 00:43:15
"You're not going to contend this year, so give guys such as Meyer a shot; signing Chacin for one year and half a mil would be smart."

If we sign Chacin, then that just defeats the whole purpose of Meyer in the rotation.

Mntwinsfan

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No, let Meyer pitch too. The team executives should be smacked for bringing in Pelfry and Nolasco. Even Santana. Young arms are needed.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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06 Apr 2015 14:49:10
If we the young arms then why sign Jhoulys Chacin? I don't think I get what you're saying haha

MNTwinsfan

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Chacin just turned 27.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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07 Apr 2015 17:18:50
If we have the young arms, why sign him. that's what I want to know lol

Mntwinsfan

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04 Apr 2015 03:14:09
D-Backs-Bluejays trade

Dbacks get: either Thole or Navaro, goins

Toronto gets: Hill

Crazysull

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Why would they do that with Travis on the team. Jays need a proven closer instead

JaysFan

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Fine they do the deal for Reed then instead of Hill

Crazysull

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03 Apr 2015 22:32:17
Mets Acquire:
Troy Tulowitzki
LaTroy Hawkins

Rockies Acquire:
Hunter Harvey
Brandon Nimmo
Kevin Plawecki
Matt Reynolds
Dillon Gee

Orioles Acquire:
Daniel Murphy

metsfan3

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The Orioles won't trade Harvey for one year of Daniel Murphy.

Highly Biased BoSox Fan

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Unless they're in a playoff race and think Murphy can put them over the top.

metsfan3

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To early for Mets to pull the trigger on a Tulo deal
possible 2 months into the season

Betrthen

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07 Apr 2015 21:48:35
If the Mets go after tulo its because they want to contend, wouldn't that be the reason they also want to Keep Murphy?

shizzee75

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No, because Murphy is a free agent after the year and the mets are trying to build long term success. We want to get something for him while we still can. Plus Flores is a serviceable 2B and will be a lot better there than he is at short.

metsfan3

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15 Apr 2015 22:33:52
murphy to me as batter is better Wright over last 3-4 years. rather move Wright than Murphy it is about money.

shizzee75

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31 Mar 2015 08:33:25
tigers need all the help in the bullpen they can get

here are a few free agents to sign:

- RP JAMES RUSSELL
- RP RAFAEL SORIANO
- RP FELIX DOUBRONT
- RP JOSE VERAS
- SP JHOULYS CHACIN

all 5 can help the tigers even if they havnt done good in spring

Russell could help as the other LH reliever

Soriano has closing experience which is a plus for the tigers with Nathan there

doubront is still young and can contribute

veras was a former tigers and having traded a top 10 prospect to get him to only let him leave 3 months later was stupid but bringing him back could help the tigers in their bullpen

chacin can be a split timer starter when needed and if he pitches good then he can be the starter with simon going to the bullpen

cookie24

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None of these relievers are very good and are no better then what we have. Their is a reason they are out their.

totellthetruth

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Theres are reason 4 of them have been released. They aren't good. Soriano maybe would be a good addition.

BATMAN!

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31 Mar 2015 21:47:43
I don't think Russell is a bad option. Posted a 2.97 ERA last year with the Braves and Cubs.

Veras is toast.

Soriano isn't a bad option, especially if Joe Nathan explodes.

Doubront. meh. He'll sign a minor-league deal somewhere and serve as a depth piece.

Chacin is tough. His ERA last year was atrocious. He had a 35% flyball rate last year. and while Detroit isn't exactly Denver, he's still got to pitch in hitter friendly ballparks.

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27 Mar 2015 15:43:48
A couple of trades, might not be the best.

Phillies get: Austin Romine
Yankees get: PTBNL (Seth Rosin)
Why: Phillies could use Romine instead of Cameron Rupp as backup.

Twins get: Erik Surkamp
White Sox get: Steven Gruver
Why: Thielbar is struggling, and if his struggles continue to go on into the season, Surkamp can serve as the 2nd lefty behind Brian Duensing.

MNTwinsfan

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25 Mar 2015 19:58:36
Trade ideas:
Yankees get: Chase Utley
Phillies get: Austin Romine, Bryan Mitchell, Jose A. Ramirez


Angels get: Hernan Perez
Tigers get: Vinnie Pestano


Mariners get: Cole Hamels
Phillies get: Taijuan Walker, DJ Peterson, David Rollins, Willie Bloomquist, PTBNL


Padres get: Drew Smyly
Rays get: Nick Vincent, Carlos Quentin, Yangervis Solarte, PTBNL


Red Sox get: Scott Feldman
Astros get: Matt Barnes, Jackie Bradley jr., 2 PTBNL


Tigers get: Dioner Navarro
Blue Jays get: Ian Krol, Xavier Avery

yankees27

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26 Mar 2015 06:06:41
Smyly came over in the Price trade. I doubt San Diego gets him for spare parts.

natedub

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Yankees don't need Utley, plus that isn't a good trade for him. The Cole Hamels trade is laughable. The Rays aren't going to trade Smyly. Scott Feldman is not worth that much. Navarro is not worth that much.

BATMAN!

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26 Mar 2015 23:53:45
I like the Navarro trade, but I don't think Avery involved is necessary.

Mntwinsfan

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The tigers say no to a journey men pitcher. Perez is not going anywhere romine is the one being cut. Navarro is not coming to Detroit. Detroit hangs up the phone laughing

totellthetruth

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If the Phillies do trade Utley at some point, it will be to a west coast team.

eagles1

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Why would the padres need drew smyly?

Gpack17

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24 Mar 2015 18:22:01
Padres trade Wisler, Gyorko, Despaigne, Liriano, Alonso, Vincent

Phillies trade Hamels, Howard, 50 mill of cash for howards contract

Phillies get young players who are all MLB players. Starting 2B, 2 quality starters, 7/8th inning releiver, starting quality outfielder who used to be the Padres #1 prospect. They also get a starting 1B who could benefit from a smaller park.
Padres get another big time starter and a 1B who can drive in runs.

Gpack17

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This isn't going to happen. It seems like it would have been one made months ago. Plus how much of Hamels contract are the Phillies going to pay?

BATMAN!

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Howard brings down Hamels value a lot, I feel like the Padres are going see how Alonso preforms. Also I feel like a Hamels trade will happen at either the all star break or trade deadline. That being said what about this
Padres trade: Austin Hedges C, Hunter Renfroe OF, Casey Kelly RHP, Cory Spangenberg 2B/OF and PTBNL
Phillies trade: Hamels and some cash

Clark_K

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This looks like something you might do in a video game.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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26 Mar 2015 03:28:05
As a Padres fan, why would you want your team to give 5 young, controllable players for 2 highly paid 30+ year olds?

Wisler, Despaigne, Liriano, and Alonso are all arb-eligible or pre-arb. and Gyorko has a super friendly contract.

Then there's the fact that the Padres won't get $50M in that deal. That's them giving Howard away for free. I'd guess about $35M, which is one year's contract paid + his 2017 buyout.

With that, the Padres would be taking on $143M in contracts over 5 seasons, while only giving away probably $40-50M in that time. So they could be taking on $100M in extra contracts all the while significantly damaging the farm.

This trade would kill your franchise.

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As a padres fan, the reason why is we can afford to get rid of Wisler and Despaigne with the SP depth and the depth in the system still. If this trade were to happen, they would have Shields, Hamels, Cashner, Ross and still have Erlin, Kelly, Lemond in the minor league system and a couple more possibilities there as well.
As for Liriano and Alonso, that would keep Renfroe who could play either corner spot incase they lose Upton, Myers has the potential to play 1st, they would also have Medica and Dickerson who can play 1st. for Gyorko, they would still have Taylor Lindsey and Spangenberg who has been playing pretty well in big league camp.
People tend to forget just how deep the padres minor league system was before the trades, and they didn't get rid of everything.

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02 Apr 2015 05:13:21
It still doesn't change the fact that the Padres are giving up FIVE controllable contracts for Cole Hamels and Ryan Howard. two players in their 30s. one being way past his prime, one likely in the middle to back-end of his prime.

Not only that. the estimated 2016 Padres payroll is between $87M and $112M (depending on which options they take).

For this year, the Padres are benefitted by having $18M offset on Kemp's cost. That number goes down to 3.5 next year and thru the rest of his deal.

Add that to the $11M jump in Shield's contract ($10 this year, $21 in '16) They've also got a $3M buyout on Quentin that will be either paid for by the Padres or given to whoever they trade him to.

So that's $18.25 for Kemp. $11 extra for Shields. $3M buyout for Shields. plus a few minor raises in Gyorko and others. not to mention all the arbitration costs of Cashner and Ross. Add in approximately $28M for Hamels and Howard. you're looking at a rise in $68M from this year to next.

All that, with only about $40M coming off the books.

So a net gain of $28M next year. free agent signings (if they can still afford them afterwards) not withstanding.

And after 2016. ooh boy. it only gets higher. and Shields and Hamels only get older.

Trust me, this trade proposal would destroy the future of the Padres. They wouldn't be able to sign free agents, afford to pay premium players their arbitration costs, or really do anything else, as they'd be locked down by huge contracts of aging players.

I promise, if this trade happens, the Padres will hurt for years.

natedub

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24 Mar 2015 02:26:55
Mets could consider these options for their lefty reliever role

1. Sign recently released Joe Beimel.
2. Claim Xavier Cedeno off waivers if he doesn't make the Opening Day Roster.
3. Claim Sam Freeman off waivers if he doesn't make the Opening Day Roster.

The move that makes sense to me is signing Joe Beimel, due to his experience. I don't think they will trade for Brian Matusz right now, but it could be foreseeable in the future if Beimel continues to struggle like he has in Spring Training (that is if he A. Doesn't retire, and B. Makes the 25 man roster)

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You are defiantly on the right track
Mets will claim one possibly two left handed cheap relievers

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23 Mar 2015 20:49:50
if the Padres end up with Olivera, if.

can anyone see this possibly happening?

Padres trade Jedd Gyorko

Angels trade CJ Cron

Gives the Padres a left handed power bat at 1b, gives the Angels a 2B that can start longterm and is better than Ruttledge.

Gpack17

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I think you could have the basis of a trade here.

LongtimeBaseballFan

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Cron is right handed

LAA4LIFE

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26 Mar 2015 06:08:08
LAA4LIFE. Good catch.

natedub

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